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When going away and staying in lodges or Airbnb style accommodation, do people generally ask the host if they are happy for you to charge the car from a standard 3 pin socket in advance? And if so, do you offer to pay £10-£15 for a full charge?
ou should also be prepared for people not to have much of a clue about how much an EV might use so be ready to give a rough outline of anticipated use so it doesn't seem scary!
With the charging setup I’m going for we’ll be adding a kWh meter onto the sub-circuit/external consumer unit, so that when we have guests in the holiday cottage right next to our house, it will be easy to make an approximation then just a flat 50p/kWh charge.
I would be quite happy to pay for electricity at a location but 50p per kw is more than almost all commercial chargers including rapids with the exception of Ionity. That's more than double a supercharger.With the charging setup I’m going for we’ll be adding a kWh meter onto the sub-circuit/external consumer unit, so that when we have guests in the holiday cottage right next to our house, it will be easy to make an approximation then just a flat 50p/kWh charge.
This will offer people 3-pin, blue 16A and blue 32A options, all at the same flat rate and gives us the cost back of electric plus some of the investment in a dedicated connection for outbuildings/charging plus the hook-ups installation.
So a bit dearer than just pure electric but not unreasonable, I don’t think folks should expect to see electricity prices that they might get on their home EV plans reflected in what they should pay when charging off other people’s infrastructure for convenience.
Offering £10-15 might be a bit light.
Indeed. And Like I say you are free to charge what you like. just saying if you are going to advertise EV charging, people may not expect the price be that high so its only fair to let them know up front so they can avail themselves of the other charging options on the way if they so wish. Mind you since you are in Wales I guess you don't have to worry about competition from superchargers!It’s not worth too much worry - just an option for folks to charge if they need to, and we only get around 20 couples per year none of which have had an EV yet.
There are a few other charging options nearby - we aren’t a charity
Some folks will be happy to just waive charges / charge what folks are used to paying at home, but we won’t.
There's no doubt some psychology at play here but I'd take a dim view of being asked to pay 50p/kWh to use a car charger at a rental property. Presented with that pricing I'd make the same noise that I make when being asked to cough up £1 for a trolley or a plastic bag for liquids at airport security. If it's an advertised facility I would far prefer it was rolled into the overall rental cost along with the Wifi/hot tub/microwave etc. which I may or may not use during my stay. Why not spread the cost and get ICE drivers to help support the low emissions visitors? As someone else has mentioned you rarely get charged extra/feed the meter to use the heating.With the charging setup I’m going for we’ll be adding a kWh meter onto the sub-circuit/external consumer unit, so that when we have guests in the holiday cottage right next to our house, it will be easy to make an approximation then just a flat 50p/kWh charge.
This will offer people 3-pin, blue 16A and blue 32A options, all at the same flat rate and gives us the cost back of electric plus some of the investment in a dedicated connection for outbuildings/charging plus the hook-ups installation.
So a bit dearer than just pure electric but not unreasonable, I don’t think folks should expect to see electricity prices that they might get on their home EV plans reflected in what they should pay when charging off other people’s infrastructure for convenience.
Offering £10-15 might be a bit light.
Its an interesting one. Car charging could be the next significant hotel revenue stream. In a few years when most people have EV;s most hotels / rentals / campsites etc will need charging facilities. It will be interesting to see how much they will try to charge to charge. Lets hope they don't all use Ionity as the benchmark! I often overnight at the likes of Premier inn for as little as £35 per night. Even at 35p/kwh they could probably double their profit on the stay if I charged 50kw overnight, (initial cost of charging infrastructure aside)There's no doubt some psychology at play here but I'd take a dim view of being asked to pay 50p/kWh to use a car charger at a rental property. Presented with that pricing I'd make the same noise that I make when being asked to cough up £1 for a trolley or a plastic bag for liquids at airport security. If it's an advertised facility I would far prefer it was rolled into the overall rental cost along with the Wifi/hot tub/microwave etc. which I may or may not use during my stay. Why not spread the cost and get ICE drivers to help support the low emissions visitors? As someone else has mentioned you rarely get charged extra/feed the meter to use the heating.
I've stayed on a farm near Rhayader and the owner there didn't have charging facilities but we were able to rig up an extension cable from their duck house. As per the above I happily left them £5/£10 per overnight charge, I think it worked out at something like 25p/kWh but it was more of a tip and a thank you as it removed the inconvenience/delay of seeking out a public charge point while out on day trips. Obviously they hadn't invested in special charging equipment but in terms of cost probably only a few £ different to the 50p/kWh model. But it felt very different to being charged a flat rate well in excess of what you'll typically see at public charge points including most rapids.
There's no doubt some psychology at play here but I'd take a dim view of being asked to pay 50p/kWh to use a car charger at a rental property. Presented with that pricing I'd make the same noise that I make when being asked to cough up £1 for a trolley or a plastic bag for liquids at airport security. If it's an advertised facility I would far prefer it was rolled into the overall rental cost along with the Wifi/hot tub/microwave etc. which I may or may not use during my stay. Why not spread the cost and get ICE drivers to help support the low emissions visitors? As someone else has mentioned you rarely get charged extra/feed the meter to use the heating.
I think this is already starting to appear, all three of the hotels (from mainstream brands) I have coming up are levying fees on EV drivers charging overnight. The downside though is that it comes on top to the £10-20 you're paying per night for parking.Its an interesting one. Car charging could be the next significant hotel revenue stream. In a few years when most people have EV;s most hotels / rentals / campsites etc will need charging facilities. It will be interesting to see how much they will try to charge to charge. Lets hope they don't all use Ionity as the benchmark! I often overnight at the likes of Premier inn for as little as £35 per night. Even at 35p/kwh they could probably double their profit on the stay if I charged 50kw overnight, (initial cost of charging infrastructure aside)
Sadly this will only get worse, thanks to the trend of "Unbundling" that's taken hold in the travel industry. If you want to see what fee's are coming next look at the trend of applying Resort or Destination fees nightly, as started with the big hotels in Las Vegas... it's now common across many of the major US cities and will end up over here too without some legislation to prevent it.Add-ons like charging for WiFi and £10 a day for parking (yes Hilton, this means you!) etc always felt like exploitation to me - much better to add it to the overall rate and be upfront about what the cost is.