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Law makers and regulators have always relied on SAE to make laws and regulations about motor vehicles based on their specs so it does matter. Laws can't be "fuzzy" as to what the capabilities of a cars' system has, especially something as critical as vehicle control or driver liability. It MUST be well defined and follow a minimum of specs. Car makers need to follow all local laws and regulations in order to be approved so they need to use the levels too. Take Tesla for example. To the public in general they now present as Full Self Driving Supervised but legally, industry wide and by definition it IS understood as a L2 system.....So don't fuss about them. Ideally, don't even use them. The later levels documents introduced something that matters much more, what they called the ODD. That's what matters. Where a car can drive without a human. It's not that it's not of interest how humans hand over and take back control in the early vehicles which need that sort of thing, it's just that's a temporary transitional function.
Agreed, but somehow there are people on this forum who live by and would kill for the SAE definitions of Autonomous Driving.then taken over by SAE, which is engineers from the legacy auto industry.
People working on the next generation world do not like to be bound to definitions. There is a feeling of being restricted, governed and directed ie boxed inSAE levels are not what makes the problem hard. They're completely innocuous so I'm not sure why people dislike them so much.
Interesting. A common complaint around here is that the SAE levels are too broad. People complain that there should be sub levels that specify ODD. People also complain that they don’t specify any reliability metrics or requirements.People working on the next generation world do not like to be bound to definitions. There is a feeling of being restricted, governed and directed ie boxed in
A true developer wants unlimited freedom. That is why most if not all developers want & get a work computer with admin rights.A common complaint around here is that the SAE levels are too broad. People complain that there should be sub levels that specify ODD.
Then I don’t know why a true developer would dislike the SAE levels. What do they prevent a developer from doing?A true developer wants unlimited freedom. That is why most if not all developers want & get a work computer with admin rights.
It is a mental box for them. Kinda like you are going to throw the trash out yet your spouse reminds you that it is your job to do. In doing so she defines your work, which is what you are doing anywayThen I don’t know why a true developer would dislike the SAE levels. What do they prevent a developer from doing?
Who knew the mental anguish caused by SAE levels is preventing us from having self-driving cars. It’s a good thing they haven’t added performance or ODD categories to them like so many here have suggested. That might have caused these developers to give up entirely.It is a mental box for them. Kinda like you are going to throw the trash out yet your spouse reminds you that it is your job to do. In doing so she defines your work, which is what you are doing anyway
Or better yet, you are driving and yet she keeps reminding you of being safe all the time.
It is a mental box for them. Kinda like you are going to throw the trash out yet your spouse reminds you that it is your job to do. In doing so she defines your work, which is what you are doing anyway
Or better yet, you are driving and yet she keeps reminding you of being safe all the time.
SAE is KILLING all car development with the requirements and specifications starting with the tires and going all the way to the roof. Tire designers are quitting and refusing to design tires now. That is why you can't buy tires or any other car parts anymore.Who knew the mental anguish caused by SAE levels is preventing us from having self-driving cars. It’s a good thing they haven’t added performance or ODD categories to them like so many here have suggested. That might have caused these developers to give up entirely.
It is quite the opposite. They don’t feel energized to work on something that has already been predefined by someone else, and that too who is not even doing the work. Their mindset is “free your mind. There is nothing to limit you. Even sky is not the limit.”It's not like AV developers are going "I really wanted to make this type of autonomous driving but there is no SAE level that matches so I can't do it."
Sounds like these engineers should be working on flying cars. That would also solve pretty much every problem that makes self-driving difficult.It is quite the opposite. They don’t feel energized to work on something that has already been predefined by someone else, and that too who is not even doing the work. Their mindset is “free your mind. There is nothing to limit you. Even sky is not the limit.”
Limitless is how they would like to feel.
I know. I have been there, and then also been leading and overseeing engineering teams. This is the new breed I have seen emerging, which by all means have been very successful but a real challenge to handle them.Sounds like these engineers should be working on flying cars. That would also solve pretty much every problem that makes self-driving difficult.
Though I question your assertion that engineers don’t like problems that have been defined by someone else. That has not been my experience (as an engineer myself.)
Waymo is going to use vehicles without human controls. They will still be L4 because they’re geofenced and don’t drive in all weather conditions that humans do.Level 5 automation is no steering wheel, accelerator, or brake pedal. All humans are passengers. It won’t be any time too soon…but “never” is a long time.