I don't think that would cut the drag enough to be worth it though. I really wish they could just get approval for standalone cameras, as that seems like it would be an awesome advancement (especially with the feed elegantly featured on the speedo cluster) - so beautiful:
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I don't think that would cut the drag enough to be worth it though. I really wish they could just get approval for standalone cameras, as that seems like it would be an awesome advancement (especially with the feed elegantly featured on the speedo cluster) - so beautiful:
ISO 16505:2015 - Road vehicles -- Ergonomic and performance aspects of Camera Monitor Systems -- Requirements and test procedures
Status has changed to Published as of 4/23/15.
I hope this is enough to satisfy the US NHTSA so they issue a compliance rule in time for my MX.
Status has changed to Published as of 4/23/15.
I hope this is enough to satisfy the US NHTSA so they issue a compliance rule in time for my MX.
O-G
Member
That really would be excellent. I hope there is at least a plan to be able to remove the mirrors and switch to cameras when possible.
(Actually, I just had to post this so there would be three "MODEL X" license plates in a row on the blog)
(Actually, I just had to post this so there would be three "MODEL X" license plates in a row on the blog)
I wonder when they will all meet? Should be in Maine summer 2016, well I'll likely be everywhere the US in 2016 (or at least within reach of a Supercharger or a National Park).
O-G
Member
I'm open to discussion. Vancouver certainly isn't far. We probably need to get the car first though. I had planned a driving trip to Nappa in August thinking that was a for sure thing but I'm not very confident of that now, even with my low number.
now it's 5 in a row. Bonnie counts cuz I happen to know she has one too!
and +1 on the hope. I'm sure they have been working on the hardware as well as the regulatory changes.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
dirkhh
Middle-aged Member
All these people with Model X license plates
Can we get four posts in a row of people with a Model X, please?
Can we get four posts in a row of people with a Model X, please?
dirkhh
Middle-aged Member
Now an observant, diligent moderator might want to argue that posts about avatars (and random get togethers) are not exactly on topic for the Model X Side Mirrors thread... but since HRHLGP is directly involved, I doubt we'll see some bold moving around of the offending posts...
*snicker*
*snicker*
From this Elon Musk talk it looks like regulations don't allow cameras to replace side mirrors yet.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G5o4mhKUTE4
From minute 52:45. Side mirrors at 54:30.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G5o4mhKUTE4
From minute 52:45. Side mirrors at 54:30.
Here is the informal document that was filed for publication.
http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/doc/2015/wp29grsg/GRSG-108-46r2e.pdf
The published doc is purchasable.
Lets hope for an adoption of this before X is for sale.
http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/doc/2015/wp29grsg/GRSG-108-46r2e.pdf
The published doc is purchasable.
Lets hope for an adoption of this before X is for sale.
chickensevil
Active Member
At this point if they don't already have clearance for removing them, they have very likely pushed it to the side until after they go live. They have enough on their plate to worry about right now that I wouldn't expect them to put on the side cameras / remove the mirrors even if the regulations changed tomorrow.
Hopefully, it will be a change we can see in a few years though! And maybe if we are lucky, they were forward thinking about it and you can change out your mirrors down the road at minimal cost. But at thus stage I would not expect it to happen at launch.
HankLloydRight
No Roads
I would suspect that the wiring harnesses and "everything but the camera" will be built into every MX, so when they do get the clearance, it will be an easy and affordable retrofit... Unlike the folding mirrors in the MS.
Where does Tesla envision putting the displays for the RVM? On the A pillars?
Or on second thought, include everything as planned, including the camera and the mirrors, and when they get clearance, just remove the mirrors as a "retrofit".
But maybe that would be too expensive at the outset.
Where does Tesla envision putting the displays for the RVM? On the A pillars?
Or on second thought, include everything as planned, including the camera and the mirrors, and when they get clearance, just remove the mirrors as a "retrofit".
But maybe that would be too expensive at the outset.
I think they had the displays in the monitor infront of the steering wheel either side of the reverse image
Imagining it being like this when your driving forward. With a toggle mode for other info.
Who knows?
The problem with that is that buyer will pull the mirrors off. Although I suppose the camera system could be disabled in software until approved.
I'm confident that buyers get cameras and no mirrors for free when approved. The only question for me is how they have decided to implement that upgrade. How they are implementing the camera display is also confusing. Perhaps the LCD is enlarged to have the default include two camera views.
It all seems complicated just to eliminate a couple of mirrors.
HankLloydRight
No Roads
Fine, include everything except the cameras.. the hardware, wiring harness, mounting bracket, software, and then just swap the mirrors for cameras down the road.
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