Are you thinking this means the MYP over there will both have a higher output on the front motor, and higher on the rear with the new hairpin motor?
After looking at a disassembly video of the Model S Plaid front motor it is absolutely clear, that it still has conventional (fractional slot) windings in the stator. It is an evolution of the 3D1 motor which was used in the Model S Performance 2020 as front motor and Model 3 Performance as rear motor.
No, the front motor stays at the power limit of the LR with boost, as it has been all along and it doesnt have a hairpin stator either.
The LG Packs have a more shallow voltage curve, which results in more power at the lower SoC end. Their chemistry also allows for more power at colder cell temperature. I dont think the peak power will be higher overall, but there might be more power over the SoC / temperature scale than before.
If you are based in Nevada (?) then you will not get this LG 5L 79kWh battery pack, but you might get a 2022 Performance with the same peak power limits (+16kW). The US updates are far less certain by the looks of it.
Thanks for the detailed info.
The last dyno I saw from them was from mid 2020 with the MYP 2020. I remember it was putting around 20hp more on the wheels (compared to M3P), which is in line with the documentation in Europe that says the MY get around 16kW more power than the M3. I wasnt aware that this is supposed to come from the front motor. According to European type certification the front motor is always the same 3D3 Motor with 158kW peak power.
What would be significant about these upgrades? let's assume that the M3P gets a new rear motor and higher output battery (16kw)? how much of a change would that make to the current M3P? Faster 0-60? if so 1/10th - 2/10ths? faster 60-130? j
In the last section of your post, you talk about (+16kW) is this with the MYP? Are you saying that there is an option for tesla to increase the performance of the 2022 M3P? because i've watched videos of the MYP pulling harder at the top end than the M3P... If that is correct and the motors and rear end are the same then why would Tesla make a MYP faster on the top end? I would think (just my assumption) that Tesla would want the M3P to be faster all around?? Also, you see to have a vast amount of knowledge in this area. May i ask what you do? Lastly, do you think Tesla will push an update in 2022 to increase the power output for the 2022 M3P? Thanks!
The Model Y weighs 351 pounds more, so it needs more power to achieve its slower numbers.
so why would Tesla not up the M3P? Because it is good enough? Just seems weird that MYP pulls harder up top compared to the M3P.
Its just an increased software limit. The 3D1 (3D6 hairpin has the same limit) performance motor is available with three power limits
You are probably right. 0,1s faster to 60mph/100kph and more power at higher speeds.
This is an increase of the M3P rear motor to the MYP power limits. They should have equal power figures from 2022.
Yes, that makes sense, as the 3D3 induction front motor quickly loses power with speed, but the 3D1/3D6 permanent magnet rear motor keeps up the pull almost linear. Since the rear motor currently has 16kW more power over the whole curve, you see this benefit increase at higher speeds, when the front motor has dropped. For reference, this is a 0-200kph pull of a M3P 2021 showing battery power, front power and rear power.
Thank you! You are very informative, i love information like this. Just one last thing and sorry to sound redundant.... you said 2022 should have equal power figures. Does this refer to all 2022 VIN model 3P's being produced currently and shipping to customers? or if could get this update with all current 2022 VIN models? I will be getting my 2022 M3P in a week and would love to do some testing with my Draggy to see if anything has changed... I can report back to this thread... any recommendations to see if anything has changed? i don't mind spending money to get parts to verify other things as well, if needed. i.e OBD2 reader? Thanks.Its just an increased software limit. The 3D1 (3D6 hairpin has the same limit) performance motor is available with three power limits
- 219kW (M3P initial release)
- 239kW (M3P and SR LFP after 2x 5% OTA increase)
- 255kW (MYP and SR LFP)
You are probably right. 0,1s faster to 60mph/100kph and more power at higher speeds.
This is an increase of the M3P rear motor to the MYP power limits. They should have equal power figures from 2022.
Yes, that makes sense, as the 3D3 induction front motor quickly loses power with speed, but the 3D1/3D6 permanent magnet rear motor keeps up the pull almost linear. Since the rear motor currently has 16kW more power over the whole curve, you see this benefit increase at higher speeds, when the front motor has dropped. For reference, this is a 0-200kph pull of a M3P 2021 showing battery power, front power and rear power.
- The orange front motor has its peak power later, but quickly drops afterwards
- The grey rear motor peaks early, but then pulls very linear. This curve should be 16kW higher in 2022.
- The blue line is battery power, which shows that peak combined power is highest at around 90kph.
Ok, thanks..my P3 is inbound from China but probably still 2021 as I will pick it up on 12/24.…oh well..
Easy to tell by the 10th digit of your VIN.
Hang on, aren’t we mixing up things?
Cars from China get old and new tail lights since Q3/2021. It's a lottery, but in the last week's it's been next to no new lights for the model 3. Probably saving them for the MY and MY2022 cars which will most likely always have the new lights.
There is a new parts priority on the more expensive cars. MY gets priority over M3 as it looks like.
