Model Year 2022 Refresh M3/MY

[vickh]

What is so good about the hairpin/4D1 motor?

same as my q earlier:

per @eivissa "These Drive Unit Cat 4 motors are still unknown, but when I switched from Drive Unit CAT 1 (Wire windings) to Drive Unit Cat 2/3 (Hairpin Windings) I could measure more power at higher speeds, more torque and better efficiency. The significantly higher 30 minute power of the Drive Unit Cat 4, must surely translate into real world power that people notice.

It might need the usage in a Performance model or buying the boost in a LR for that"

 

[TomaGo]

Hello @eivissa ,

I have a few questions for you

1/ Do you have any news about the v28 ?

2/ With your Model Y from Berlin you have "Only 398kW", while i have 424kW with my Model 3, is 398 is really your max ? Is it a battery LG limitation ?

Have a good day

Thomas

 

[eivissa]

1/ Do you have any news about the v28 ?

Still nothing. This is a new one, as customers are already picking up their V28/VC28 cars. Maybe Tesla finally found a way to convince the authorities to hold back the documentation. Maybe some federal employee in Europe is just too lazy to upload it into the system.

As usual...as soon as I have it, I will post all relevant details here:

[Wiki] Model 3 / Model Y - Technische Veränderungen

Version with Conventional Battery Pack → VC## e4 * 2007/46 * 1293 * ## Version with Structural Battery Pack → VS## e4 * 2018/858 * 00135 * ## <details><summary>Wo finde ich meine Version?</summary></details> <details><summary>VC36 / 28.03.2024</summary></details> <details><summary>VS10 /...

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2/ With your Model Y from Berlin you have "Only 398kW", while i have 424kW with my Model 3, is 398 is really your max ? Is it a battery LG limitation ?

My (wives actually) Model Y from Berlin is "only" a long range, not a Performance, so power limited to 980A without Boost, peaking at 325kW.

Were did you get these numbers? 398kW and 424kW?

In any way, yes...the LG battery pack is the power limiting factor. I have made some direct performance comparisons between the M3P with Panasonic and 3D6 motor vs. the M3P with LG and 3D6 motor. The data is here in Post#1 and #164:

Model 3 Performance 2022 - Panasonic vs. LG

Dieser erste Beitrag wird stetig um neue Daten und Erkenntnisse erweitert. Hintergrund Das Model 3 Performance 2022 wurde beim Wechsel von Quartal 1 auf Quartal 2 signifikant verändert! Der in Q4/2020 eingeführte Panasonic 3L 82kWh NCA Akku wurde durch den in Q4/2021 eingeführten LG Chem...

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Model 3 Performance 2022 - Panasonic vs. LG

Panasonic 3L vs LG Chem 5L Beide Fahrzeuge auf Edelweiss LT°5 19" Panasonic auf Pirelli Pzero 245er und LG auf Michelin PS4S 235er Feuchte bis nasse Strasse, daher große Variable bei 0-100 Messung! Time Dragy SoC Temp Power Torque Dragy SoC Temp Power Torque 13:09 3,75 42 35 365...

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I am currently trying to learn python/mathplotlib to visualize all my data of the LG/3D6 and Panasonic 3D6 drivetrain, as I had both cars at the same time and I've gathered tons of data via 24/7 Scan My Tesla and Teslalogger logging. This is relevant to Model 3 and Model Y alike as their power settings/limits are completely identical.

 

[TomaGo]

Thanks for your answer and all the informations.

The 398kW are coming from one of your messages and it was with a Berlin MYP :

"This is data from when I measured one of the first MYP out of Giga Berlin (Nr.15 signed by E.M.) with the LG M50 Battery Pack and the (then) newest generation 3D6 Hairpin rear motor:"

The 424 kW is from my Model 3 Pana and Teslamate.

 

[Mr_Joe]

I'm opening to contributing data to the new motor if theres anyone around Atlanta with the OBDLink MX+ (or compatible) that wants to scan the a new 2023 MYP. i should receive a VIN this week with EDD currently scheduled for 3/22 to 3/31

 

[eivissa]

Do you have any information about the V28 / VS04 homologation ? Or are we still on the V27 since october ?

Finally!

[Wiki] Model 3 / Model Y - Technische Veränderungen

Update Beitrag 1! Nein, VC28 ist immer noch nicht verfügbar…! Neuer Bremsbelag fürs Model Y Performance. Neuer Bremssattel-Zulieferer für die Vorderachse des MY RWD. Bremsanlage (Hinterachse) des MYLR/MYRWD fürs MYP genehmigt. #Downgrade Einführung des ICR (Kabinenradar) für die Vorderreihe...

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[Wiki] Model 3 / Model Y - Technische Veränderungen

Update Beitrag 1: Europäischer Zulieferer für den Innenspiegel aufgenommen. Wegfall der Version mit Performance Heckmotor. Nur der 600A Base Motor (3D7/4D5) darf verbaut werden.

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[Mr_Joe]

Finally!

[Wiki] Model 3 / Model Y - Technische Veränderungen

Update Beitrag 1! Nein, VC28 ist immer noch nicht verfügbar…! Neuer Bremsbelag fürs Model Y Performance. Neuer Bremssattel-Zulieferer für die Vorderachse des MY RWD. Bremsanlage (Hinterachse) des MYLR/MYRWD fürs MYP genehmigt. #Downgrade Einführung des ICR (Kabinenradar) für die Vorderreihe...

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[Wiki] Model 3 / Model Y - Technische Veränderungen

Update Beitrag 1: Europäischer Zulieferer für den Innenspiegel aufgenommen. Wegfall der Version mit Performance Heckmotor. Nur der 600A Base Motor (3D7/4D5) darf verbaut werden.

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Interesting...

 

[RVAC]

What's the difference between VC and VS?

 

[eivissa]

What's the difference between VC and VS?

There is a description in the first post of the TFF thread.

VC = Version Conventional Battery Pack = All current Model 3/Y in Europe.

VS = Version Structural Battery Pack = Currently only the unreleased BYD MYSR out of Giga Berlin.

 

[TomaGo]

Thank you @eivissa

The 3 BYD from Berlin could be intersting... we will see.

 

[pep_dj]

Now I have a M3 LR 2021 with Panasonic 82 kWh with Acceleration Boost. But I always wished the M3P... So I'm selling my LR to get a P. I really love the P's acceleration! But now that I know that P with LG is a bit slower, I'm wondering if it's worth the upgrade form my LR AB.

I live in Spain, not in Germany, so the drop in 100-200 km/h is not relevant for me. But I don't like the fact that it seems to be 0.1 slower in 0-100. Is it noticeable? Will the upgrade between my LR AB and P be worth it?

About LG advantages over Panasonic. It seems that LG pack suffer less degradation than Panasonic, right?

 

[thinger]

Can anyone remember discussion related to Shanghai Model 3 Performance models? Those was built in Shanghai but those was using Panasonic batteries and shipped to EU. On those cars was some issues with batter packs.

 

[eivissa]

Yes. The MIC M3P with Panasonic 82kWh pack came to Europe from Q3/2021 to Q1/2022.

They have much higher degradation than usual, compared to US assembled Panasonic packs and also a very high rate of total failures.

Failure Survey:

Panasonic 82kWh Degradation Survey

Graphs <a href="http://forms.gle/YXKH4R5z8VUkQ4RG6">Click here! ⟶ Panasonic 82kWh Degradation Survey ⟵ Click here!</a>

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Degradation Survey
(check Panasonic 3L MIC / NCA MIC)

Tesla - Battery State of Health

Dashboard ©,<a href="mailto:[email protected]">eivissa</a>,<a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScTmpkCvDiYezgy7aacK_s5UMXICnDCWX0P6qgC6R-yGywPzQ/viewform">Survey</a> Last Update,22.04.2024 22:48:25 Row Counter,1469 Minimum Odometer,30000 km,160% Minimum Age,24 Months,160% ...

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Topic @ TFF with big mess ups by Tesla replacing the battery packs with the wrong type or with really old/bad packs on pretty new cars...

M3 Performance 2021 (MIC Q3/Q4) -> Vermehrte Akku Defekte

Zusammenfassung Part Number Description Type Capacity Range Price Comment 1522312-00-G E3,AWD LG5C! 73-74kWh 468 11596,64 Neu / Falscher Akku! Zu klein und zu schwach! 1712001-01-C E3,AWD,M3Y,RMN LG5L? 73-74kWh 460 ? Remanufactured / SEC’s uneinig ob er zum Auto passt...

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