MY 2024 Refresh - Project Juniper?

[M42 Fan]

For the people that are holding out, which aspect of the refresh seems that critical to you? Or is it that you hate not having the most recent? Personally, I’d be reluctant to buy an early refresh model. I’d much rather have the last iteration of the previous version.

For all the reasons listed in the tweet below. We can expect the same updates plus more for Juniper.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1745151146539286944

 

[M42 Fan]

The new vehicles team was dissolved yesterday…you could be waiting a long time!

This would make sense if they were creating a new version of the Y from the ground up, but this is going to be a refresh. They'll be using existing parts from the already refreshed 3 for Juniper.

 

[mborkow]

For all the reasons listed in the tweet below. We can expect the same updates plus more for Juniper.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1745151146539286944

So basically FOMO?

 

[bobbyjae]

I'm waiting for the Rivian R2 unless something else comes up. I have a 21 MY and feel like I would be losing a lot to switch to Juniper (USS, turn stalks, gear shift, etc.) with minimal gain.

 

[M42 Fan]

So basically FOMO?

If someone doesn't need a vehicle right now and plans to keep their next vehicle for a long time, why not wait for the most recently updated model before purchasing? It's not like Tesla refreshes the Model Y every year.

 

[E90alex]

It's not like Tesla refreshes the Model Y every year.

I mean not with a major overhaul like Highland was but there’s been some pretty significant changes every year.

2021 2.0 center console, HEPA filter
2022 MCU3 and Li-ion LV battery
2023 2.0 door panels and rear parcel shelf (and removal of USS)
2024 HW4

 

[mborkow]

I mean not with a major overhaul like Highland was but there’s been some pretty significant changes every year.

2021 2.0 center console, HEPA filter
2022 MCU3 and Li-ion LV battery
2023 2.0 door panels and rear parcel shelf (and removal of USS)
2024 HW4

I’d argue HW4 and MCU3 are prob more significant than the remainder of Highland.

 

[rlsd]

I’d argue HW4 and MCU3 are prob more significant than the remainder of Highland.

Not sure I understand correctly.
Current model Y already has HW4 since summer 2023.

 

[M42 Fan]

I mean not with a major overhaul like Highland was but there’s been some pretty significant changes every year.

2021 2.0 center console, HEPA filter
2022 MCU3 and Li-ion LV battery
2023 2.0 door panels and rear parcel shelf (and removal of USS)
2024 HW4

True, there have been incremental changes, but if a major rehaul is potentially less than 12 months away and you don't need a vehicle right now then it makes sense to wait.

 

[bobbyjae]

I think the issue is that the car looks and feels almost the same. Do people normally buy the refreshed version of the same car you have?

I have always upgraded to a better model or jumped to a totally different style.

 

[Midpack]

You can buy now and resell to buy a new one later. There will be depreciation but both of you will feel happier.

That was my calculus. Though I don't normally trade cars often, like to keep a car 7+ years, IF I want the Juniper so much when it comes out I can do a trade. I'd probably still wait for initial bugs to be worked out, HW5, Abyss Blue Multicoat (may never come, and I don't want a wrap), or whatever else is in the offing then. Obviously if the trade in value for my '23 MYLR is awful, we can't know that yet, I'll have to factor that in. First world problems.

 

[rlsd]

That was my calculus. Though I don't normally trade cars often, like to keep a car 7+ years, IF I want the Juniper so much when it comes out I can do a trade. I'd probably still wait for initial bugs to be worked out, HW5, Abyss Blue Multicoat (may never come, and I don't want a wrap), or whatever else is in the offing then. Obviously if the trade in value for my '23 MYLR is awful, we can't know that yet, I'll have to factor that in. First world problems.

If you can wait to near the end of the year then you can have better decision.

 

[Midpack]

If you can wait to near the end of the year then you can have better decision.

I'll be very surprised if the Juniper shows up before Jan 2025. I am guessing the reduced price EV model is, will be the top priority, and that's slated for early 2025 (though some Osborne effect defense probably in play). But we'll see. My guess it will be late 2025 at the earliest before I'd buy a Juniper (given my stipulations above).

Musk provided another update during a Q2 2024 investor call saying that the timeline for production on the new platform has been moved up.

“We’ve updated our future vehicle lineup to accelerate the launch of new models ahead,” said Musk during the call. “Previously mentioned starting production in the second half of 2025, we expect it to be more like early 2025 if not late this year.”

"These new vehicles, including more affordable models will use aspects of the next generation platform as well as aspects of our current platforms,” said Musk.

“We’ll be able to produce on the same manufacturing lines as our current vehicle lineup so it’s not contingent on any new factory or massive new production line. It will be made on our current production lines much more efficiently."

 

[Midnightsun]

The main things I'm looking for in the Juniper Y compared to the current 2024 Y are all the same things found in the Highland Model 3:
- More comfortable suspension. Current Y has a rough ride on bumpy city streets, although it's fine on smooth suburban streets and highways.
- Quieter cabin at highway speeds.
- Improved exterior looks, need to remove the front upper lip.
- Higher resale value for Juniper Y, even though it costs the same to buy as the current Y.
- 2nd row touchscreen for kids.
- Slightly nicer interior.
- Cooled front seats.
- Juniper Performance Model Y even faster than current Performance Y, with updated track mode.

You forgot UWB and the blind spot light incorporated into the front pillars.

 

[mborkow]

The main things I'm looking for in the Juniper Y compared to the current 2024 Y are all the same things found in the Highland Model 3:
- More comfortable suspension. Current Y has a rough ride on bumpy city streets, although it's fine on smooth suburban streets and highways.
- Quieter cabin at highway speeds.
- Improved exterior looks, need to remove the front upper lip.
- Higher resale value for Juniper Y, even though it costs the same to buy as the current Y.
- 2nd row touchscreen for kids.
- Slightly nicer interior.
- Cooled front seats.
- Juniper Performance Model Y even faster than current Performance Y, with updated track mode.

Have you test driven the Highland?

 

[Sunshine Speed]

Have you test driven the Highland?

Yes, I owned Model 3 LR RWD for 5 years, and test drove Model 3 Highland RWD for 40 mins. On that one, the quiet cabin at highway speeds reminded me of my old Lexus. I also have tons of driving experience with Xs, plus various rented and loaner Ys and Ss and 3s.

 

[Dear_OP]

Any side bets on when Juniper Y will show up given the latest Tesla rigamarole?

 

[Sweed269]

Any side bets on when Juniper Y will show up given the latest Tesla rigamarole?

End of 2025

 

[lustate]

End of 2025

I'm thinking that could be for the USA, but what about Europe?

 

[Mike_TV]

I'm thinking that could be for the USA, but what about Europe?

Summer 2025