Redmiata98
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So someone paid an extra $10k for ludicrous mode on their P90D and can only use it 25 times? That's $400 a launch. I must be missing something here. Can someone dumb it down or do I have it right? Does this apply to S and X models?
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Pack Performance and Launch Mode Limits
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silentsnow31802
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Do you know if this applies to all P90D's or a certain version? (V1, V2, Refresh)
So using Launch Mode becomes as taboo as using the Frunk. Got it. Next..
Seriously though, add to that list of shadey tactics the Q3 fire sale where they contradicted their own pricing policy. I was ushered into the company with this notion then quickly shown profit > trust. That probably won't ever sit right with me.
Seriously though, add to that list of shadey tactics the Q3 fire sale where they contradicted their own pricing policy. I was ushered into the company with this notion then quickly shown profit > trust. That probably won't ever sit right with me.
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Yes, you are correct, that is the current understanding. 90DL V2 (both S and X assumed) at least affected, maybe others?
lolachampcar
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except that there is a shade of grey in that pack current reportedly gets pulled from 1600ish amps to 1500ish. The 1600ish value allowed the V2 P90DL to break into the tens in the quarter mile (touted by Tesla) for the first time. Backing that down to the 1500ish range pulls the car back into the P85DL range only with slightly better performance (less battery voltage droop on the P90 allowing for slightly more power than the P85 at exactly the same current draw). 1500ish amps still falls under the Ludicrous banner; its just not as Ludicrous as 1600ish amps.
lolachampcar
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Nah, the V2 was never part of the badging on the back of the car. It was only required so as to actually ship a car that did the promoted tens in the quarter.
lolachampcar
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Well we did beat on them hard to release a car to customers that actually reproduced the magazine results. They did and we are still bitching. We must be high maintenance owners.
Beating on them hard to say what they do, and do what they say is very fair game
By the way, good of you to bring that magazine results into the conversation.
With this new information, those impossible-to-reach magazine results (which magazine was it?) could be explained by the test car running a software version that was deemed too hard on the drivetrain for common use, but sent to magazine testing...?
Maybe P90DL V2 is not the first time Tesla has toyed with the software to give the car a boost beyond its capability to maintain over time (without seriously damaging things)?
lolachampcar
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Come to think of it, this might also shed some light on the absence of any current offerings between 90D and P100D and the general removal of intermediate flavors like Performance without Ludicrous. You want a version that stresses the system in any way? $40+k extra please.
This makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, I think this is all going to backfire very quickly. The attempt to improve revenue by upselling P90D buyers to a P100 is likely to be more than offset by the number of buyers bailing and getting a 90D or even looking to another OEM.
This coverup + the new limits on AP + the delay in AP2.0 function are all going to be huge stories when the normal auto press finds out what's up. The tesla fan news sites have been avoiding these topics because they realize how damaging to the brand this will be.
It's a bit more troubling. Some (most?) of the people that are able to collect such data and motivated to help the cause may be "self governing" to avoid triggering the hidden counter. One way to stop Tesla owners measuring the cars... penalize them for doing so.
It reminds me a lot of the capacity measurement issue. "I think I have premature degradation." "Only way you can tell is if you charge to 100% a few times." "Doesn't that make the degradation worse." "Yes." "Sigh."
So it's a "25 only 10.9" car? That's pretty expensive per 10.9 cash outlay.
Also, this tends to suggest any "proven 10.9" car is likely really "former 10.9 car". Sucks for the resale.
Stories like this make me almost want to donate a new Leaf to a worthy family needing transportation. Good for the EV cause, a thumbs up to Nissan for doing right by performance buyers, and good for a family in need.
It's upsetting that Tesla's track record (no pun intended) with Performance buyers evokes very different feelings from me.
No, because they have never been clear which suspension you get.I wonder if Tesla also upgrades your P90DL badge to P85DL+ for free?
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