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Pack Performance and Launch Mode Limits
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I agree. It is cheaper and faster for Tesla to just add the - to the badge. Going from P90DL to P85DL+ would require several replacement letters. They would be on backorder for months anyway.
whitex
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You are right!
We never did ask for the performance to be repeatable, only to match the magazine results which were obtained in under 25 launches. To be honest I'm surprised a Tesla old timer like you is surprised. After over 3 years with Tesla, I've come to realize that the are operating on a bleeding edge, selling unfinished products (i.e. any feature promised via an update), which means there will be blood and bandages to stop the bleeding. This is the reason why they can get ahead of the industry so fast (SV disruptive startup model), unfortunately this comes at a price. If one wants bleeding edge, one has to pay and take the risk - cost of progress. Luckily, Tesla no longer just sells bleeding edge products - I'm about to pick up a new S60D which I expect will have no problems living up to my expectations. Or so I chose to believe to keep my blood pressure down after purchasing a car with 691hp, 85KWh battery, AutoPilot, ...
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You are right!
To be honest I'm surprised a Tesla old timer like you is surprised. After over 3 years with Tesla, I've come to realize that the are operating on a bleeding edge, selling unfinished products (i.e. any feature promised via an update), which means there will be blood and bandages to stop the bleeding. This is the reason why they can get ahead of the industry so fast (SV disruptive startup model), unfortunately this comes at a price. If one wants bleeding edge, one has to pay and take the risk - cost of progress. Luckily, Tesla no longer just sells bleeding edge products - I'm about to pick up a new S60D which I expect will have no problems living up to my expectations. Or so I chose to believe to keep my blood pressure down.
...just stay away from that 75D update so you won't be disappointed...
lolachampcar
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whitex,
No surprise at all. If the map and terrain differ, believe the terrain. I've now seen Tesla's terrain and no longer believe their map.
The post was a poor attempt at being sarcastical (an engineering term).
No surprise at all. If the map and terrain differ, believe the terrain. I've now seen Tesla's terrain and no longer believe their map.
The post was a poor attempt at being sarcastical (an engineering term).
whitex
Well-Known Member
I know, so was my 1st paragraph. We need a sarcastical flag emoticon (an engineering solution).
stopcrazypp
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Tesla haven't always been consistent (I wasn't able to google the pdf of the official 8.0 release notes), but for 7.1 they were pretty upfront about new restrictions added:
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/release_notes/tesla_model_s_software_7_1.pdf
Edit: Found the 8.0 release notes. Although it doesn't go into detail, the new restrictions (on autopilot, not this particular issue) were pointed out in the first line under Autopilot:
Inside Tesla Version 8.0: release notes and screenshots
Version 8 Screenshots
I guess one change I can suggest is to make the PDFs available (or equivalently available on the car) before the update and easier to find (it seems now you only see the notes after the update is installed, so you have to wait for someone on the internet to screenshot them if you are iffy about an update). And I guess they should add a brief description of even minor changes to the end, so that as much of the changes is captured (for example this issue). I know this is sometimes not practical though.
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n2mb_racing
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I'm on 8.0 with a p90dl v2. Got 490kw today at 99% soc with max battery. I don't think that is limited, but could be. It seems 20 kW down from the highest reported...
On the car, definitely. There's an update, do you want to schedule or install it now? Touch here for the release notes.
haha
It's also funny to stumble upon this video:
Small edit:
2. SOC must be >85%, not 90% as I previously stated.
Once the limit is reached, the power limit is reduced to ~1500A
SDRick
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dhanson865
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I totally get that the 60 is a better deal than a 75 and the P100D is off your list due to the P "issues" but there are 6 choices in the Model S line. No interest in the 60D or 90D which still aren't P models but are above the minimum?
60
60D
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75D
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P100D
n2mb_racing
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Hmm. What's that limit in kW for p90dl v2 cars? Power tools didn't log voltage or amps on my runs. Only kW... I don't know the battery voltage under load.
No, you're missing the point. I'm up at 0300h-ish because I'm pissed off.
I'm about to trade in our barely-a-year-old P90DL for $40k+ less than the MSRP because every time I drive it now it feels like Tesla shafted me. The "P" upgrade alone, and the extra $10k for Ludicrous, add up to serious money, but now we find out that the performance examples given to the various car magazines were effectively "ringers" that won't perform as demonstrated in the years ahead.
That's cheating.
I don't mean to be a pill here, but I didn't expect Tesla to cheat, did you?
Perhaps you can find a mention of a "Launch limit" in any of these articles? Anywhere else?
I can't.
2015 Tesla Model S P90D - Instrumented Test
It’s a $38,000 upgrade from a base Model S 70 rear-drive version to obtain the most-potent electric motors, the four-wheel drive, and the long-range 90-kWh battery pack. Then add the $10,000 Ludicrous Speed option to enable the on-demand disappearing services.
Tesla Announces Model S "Ludicrous Mode" — 0-60 in 2.8 Seconds
The "Ludicrous Speed Upgrade" will cost an additional $10,000 on top of the $3,000 cost of the required 90 kWh battery pack (more on that in a minute).
n2mb_racing
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OK, let's start contacting people for answers. I've already tweeted at Elon. Who else should we all tweet and E-mail? Let's get some answers.
diamond.g
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Was launch mode added when the 90's came out? Seems like it was a relatively recent feature.
lolachampcar
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I long ago came to the conclusion that Tesla is (1) smart and (2) too smart for their own good when it comes to the business side of things. There were signs of this as early as my very first purchase from them in early 2013.
I bring this up not because I'm special or have any great insight but because Tesla does not need this type of ding on an otherwise exemplary record. Yea, I know their promise dates have issues as well but that comes from a good place. This playing fast and loose with the truth does not. Anyway, my goal is to get as much sunshine on the collection of these issues (and the collection is likely to grow) so as to make the practice impossible.
I bring this up not because I'm special or have any great insight but because Tesla does not need this type of ding on an otherwise exemplary record. Yea, I know their promise dates have issues as well but that comes from a good place. This playing fast and loose with the truth does not. Anyway, my goal is to get as much sunshine on the collection of these issues (and the collection is likely to grow) so as to make the practice impossible.
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