Huh? I thought that what they actually promised was 1/4 mile times of 10.9 which can't even come close to being achieved with 1500 amps.
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Pack Performance and Launch Mode Limits
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Huh? I thought that what they actually promised was 1/4 mile times of 10.9 which can't even come close to being achieved with 1500 amps.
n2mb_racing
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Minor point, but there must be a slightly different amp limit or voltage under load in the V3 vs V2 batteries, since we get 490 kW on V2 and up to 510 kW on V3.... I wonder if the software limit is in terms of kW or amps?
MarcG
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This is completely unsubstantiated, but I would guess that it's based on a kW limit because that's what the mechanical components would ultimately care about.
Whether it's 1500A by 340V or 1600A by 319V is only relevant to the battery, not any component downstream of it (assuming wiring conductors can support 1600A that is).
EDIT: there's probably ALSO a limit on the current to protect the battery, now that I think more about it..
lolachampcar
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I now understand why I appreciate your posts.
For me it was an ME doing EE until I became full time responsible for operations. High growth is hard but there are right and wrong ways to do things. Handling the fatigue limit miss by quietly calling in customers that reach statistically significant limits and addressing their situation with an improved battery is less expensive from a PR, sales and maybe even warranty set aside standpoint. Notice the high road is more expensive via a maybe on the warranty set aside. That tells me the high road is better from a numbers sense.
I know Tesla can do better without hurting their forward progress and without deviating from the mission. It is my hope that some sunshine on this issue will move them there although, like good engineers are, they appear to be very hard headed.
Bill
Service invoice =/ letter from FremontI don't have an agenda in fact I agree that there appears something else may be going on here. I was just pointing out that you spun the facts to meet your own narrative. You just overdid by a few hundred decibels.
I asked for the former, you represented as the latter.
Don't spin the facts to suit your narrative.
Sorry, but the facts speak for themselves. Your post #1121 "For now I trust a written answer emailed from Fremont than the oral answer from a service manager, but this guy seemed to try to defer to what computer told him in writing so is somewhat more credible."
I think he is referring it my results and saying there is more in the car with further updates..... motor trend replied to his tweet that they would like to test, so clearly they have not run 2.34....
This is the tweet:
I think there is a misunderstanding. I expect what Musk is saying is that 0-60 in 2.34 seconds might be achievable in the "Special" (spec) Motor Trend car that Tesla rigged up "specially" (spec) for Motor Trend.
Tech_Guy
ALWAYS IN LUDICROUS MODE! P90D>P100D Upgrade
Had a conversation with Tesla today, it was indicated that the same system that monitors the stress on the powertrain exist for the p100dl as the p90dl. This info is contrary to the email I received previously on the matter, that exempted the 100 from these limits! Ludicrous mode, max battery mode, and launch mode are all monitored for driveline stress. They would not / could not confirm there is a counter but rather that its a system thats designed to monitor multiple aspects of the car and adjust performance based upon use ware and aging of the components.
In fact if I had to guess, the 100 will hit the limits quicker as its putting more strain on the components... but we would need more clarity from Tesla to get the full picture here all I was told was that it uses the same monitoring system as the p90dl in the p100dl
In fact if I had to guess, the 100 will hit the limits quicker as its putting more strain on the components... but we would need more clarity from Tesla to get the full picture here all I was told was that it uses the same monitoring system as the p90dl in the p100dl
Has anyone else noticed that anyone/everyone using a Tesla for drag purposes appears to be getting a new one on a very regular basis? While certainly possible from a competition perspective, my gremlin mind posits the following:
1. As anyone with a "High Vis" (YouTube, etc.) Tesla begins to approach any of the various counter limits, Tesla makes them "an offer they can't refuse" to trade up to the latest and greatest Tesla Model.
2. The traded-in Tesla is "software stripped" of its Ludicrous mode (and the underscore is physically removed) and sold off as a CPO or it becomes a service loaner for the rest of its days.
3. Thus achieving two benefits: Excessively public discovery and broadcast of the counter problem is avoided, and it also would help prevent whatever "weak link" problem that would have resulted in a major warranty claim sometime in the remaining 8-year/infinite-mile warranty period.
Just some thoughts . . . hope DragTimes will step in and share any insights, unless they all have to sign an NDA?
The problem is that many of us will end up in this place in the years to come, some when out of warranty.
Thus, the need for a class action if Tesla doesn't step up. Individually, it's a fool's game, combined, Tesla will do the right thing because they'll have to.
Smarter heads will prevail if they do this before any legal action. Since many of us hold bucket's of TSLA shares, let's be optimistic . . . .
Yep, that would be the smart thing to do.
Maybe they're waiting until we reach 100 pages and the WSJ, NYTimes and Washington Post pick up the story . . . yeah, that's it!
Easy.
Tesla buys back the P90DL's with really good trade in values, as in "too good to pass up." They change the firmware emasculate them back to conventional P90D's, remove the underscore at the back of the car, and they become CPO's and Service Loaners.
Easypeasy!
It's a win-win for Tesla because they'll sell A LOT OF US a new Tesla with the awesome trade in offer, and they now have a bunch more "warranty safe" cars out on the street that won't kill them in claims for the next eight years.
Great publicity, happy customers, more cars sold. What's not to like?!?
Folks, the above rant, is proof positive of what binge watching too many old episodes of "The X Files" and "Conspiracy Theories with Jesse Ventura", can do to a human being if you lock him into a room, giving him no food or water, and make him watch it.
They've used a version of this technique at Guantanamo. Instead, using music there to torture detainees. Playing the same song over and over and over, blasting it into the cells of detainees. One of the songs used was Eminem's "Slim Shady"
Think about it. Somebody locks you into a small, damp, dark, cold, room, straight up butt naked, cold and shivering, hungry and thirsty, and relentlessly blast "Slim Shady" into that room constantly, over and over and over, all day long and all night long. Repeatedly and in a loop.......and pretty soon, all that you will hear in your head is "Slim Shady". Even though they've long since shut the music off. . .....After enough of that, you don't know whether the music is really on, or if it's actually off, and just playing in your head.
Watch this. I'm going to humor him.
Why yes, I've noticed the same thing.
You've probably also noticed, that if you look real hard at those YouTube videos, and towards the sky when you can see it in them, the presence of black helicopters.
Come to think of it, have you noticed that Brooks, from DragTimes, always wears black in his videos and is probably one of the Men In Black?
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Andyw2100
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OK, this is an easy one...
Here is a video of Brooks wearing other colors-- royal blue, maroon, etc--so clearly he is not one of the Men In Black!
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heh, I have some grey and red shirts too...
just got a run in before it RAINED AGAIN.... 0-60 in 2.42, 0-100 in 6.28 and 10.702 @ 123.7 MPH, I guess a 10.6 will happen... I'll try it next week... The TRC guy beat me with a 2.41, e is also a good 40 pounds lighter than me....
just got a run in before it RAINED AGAIN.... 0-60 in 2.42, 0-100 in 6.28 and 10.702 @ 123.7 MPH, I guess a 10.6 will happen... I'll try it next week... The TRC guy beat me with a 2.41, e is also a good 40 pounds lighter than me....
Sorry, but the facts speak for themselves. Your post #1121 "For now I trust a written answer emailed from Fremont than the oral answer from a service manager, but this guy seemed to try to defer to what computer told him in writing so is somewhat more credible."
And since then I and others have said in multiple posts : drop it off as a service request. Read posts since then. But a letter from Fremont wld be more credible than a SA making stuff up. All of which is better than the massive speculation and imagination from the pitchfork jihadists on this thread.
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