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Could we get a copy of your finalized pros and cons list? I might be able to make some good use of it too.
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I have in fact, at first, thought of Tesla OTA as a pro. Over 6 years of experience with Tesla OTA however changed my mind for reasons stated in my post. I do believe that OTA for cars can be done right - it's just that nobody has done it yet (not many cars have OTA at all today, even the ones which do have limited capabilities due to various, often non-technical reasons).I appreciate this insight (just bought a 75D, don't have it yet) as I have always tended to ignore any cons in general (justifying it by convincing myself that the pros outweigh the cons).
It appears you have also done the same considering you've owned Tesla's for 6 years now! Its good to see both sides. Thanks for this.
I have in fact, at first, thought of Tesla OTA as a pro. Over 6 years of experience with Tesla OTA however changed my mind for reasons stated in my post. I do believe that OTA for cars can be done right - it's just that nobody has done it yet (not many cars have OTA at all today, even the ones which do have limited capabilities due to various, often non-technical reasons).
I think you need to tell them the honest truth that burning coal is not a pro, just as smoking cigarettes is not a pro.
To be fair, you did ask for cons, and now that you have one guy's perspective, you find it unpalatable drivel. I can tell you that his experience is nowhere near unique. There are people here who expect a minimum from a $50K+ car and from the company behind it. Customer Service, the lack thereof, will sink this company as it has sunk others before it. The company lost $700 million last quarter. Alienating a customer base that has $100K to spend on a car--a customer base that is counted upon to showcase the brand to potential buyers-- is guaranteed to enrich Mercedez-Benz the day they deliver a competitor to what ever Tesla promises. "Great car, but if you need service for something or for something they broke, you are screwed." Yeah, like that attracts customers.
If you want cons like the usual "No cup holders", "Rattles galore", and "Not enough USB ports for the kids", and maybe "I wish they had a better light in the trunk", but "Great voice commands!", then here you go.
The thing is, I'm obviously trying to bring people into the Tesla family. If I were to state all those cons WhiteX listed, I might as well just create a poster with pictures of Tesla cars on fire and say - "yea, everything you've heard on the news about Tesla is true, but they're GREAT cars." Or I could just ask Mark Spiegel to come talk to them. SMH
"Alienating a customer base that has $100K to spend on a car--a customer base that is counted upon to showcase the brand to potential buyers"
92% of Tesla owners stated they would definitely buy another Tesla. So, while WhiteX is not the only person to have a bad experience with Tesla, he's definitely in the minority. I'm trying to educate people are the basic advantages and disadvantages of owning an EV (and primarily Tesla). Why in God's earth would I want to tell people about the issues about 8% of owners have experienced? Many people have experienced poor panel gaps - let me add that to the list. I'm sure when people tell them about their Fords, they tell them all about the constant recalls Ford has. Geees.
First of all, based on your response, you’ve mislead everyone here. You don’t actually want cons, you want a communist propaganda pamphlet about how great the Tesla car is.
Second of all, not telling people about possible downsides of a $100k product you’re trying to talk them into buying is lying in the best case. Just horrible.
Thirdly, where the hell do you pull this data from?
Damn I feel bad about even coming to this thread, you are not a person I want to be involved with, it seems.
Could we get a copy of your finalized pros and cons list? I might be able to make some good use of it too.
Everyone, I am creating some material which will be used at our Tesla "show and tell" events to help teach people in South Georgia about Tesla (you'd be shocked how little people know about Tesla here). One of the docs I am creating is the Pros and Cons of owning a Tesla. I have several listed, but want to make sure my list is as complete as possible on both sides. So, if you have a moment, please chime in on the things you think should be presented to those totally unaware of Tesla vehicles (other than the stupidity they see on the internet).
The thing is, I'm obviously trying to bring people into the Tesla family. If I were to state all those cons WhiteX listed, I might as well just create a poster with pictures of Tesla cars on fire and say - "yea, everything you've heard on the news about Tesla is true, but they're GREAT cars." Or I could just ask Mark Spiegel to come talk to them. SMH
"Alienating a customer base that has $100K to spend on a car--a customer base that is counted upon to showcase the brand to potential buyers"
92% of Tesla owners stated they would definitely buy another Tesla. So, while WhiteX is not the only person to have a bad experience with Tesla, he's definitely in the minority. I'm trying to educate people are the basic advantages and disadvantages of owning an EV (and primarily Tesla). Why in God's earth would I want to tell people about the issues about 8% of owners have experienced? Many people have experienced poor panel gaps - let me add that to the list. I'm sure when people tell them about their Fords, they tell them all about the constant recalls Ford has. Geees.
Dude - PLEASE go post on another thread. If you don't like what we're discussing here, that's fine - just ignore the thread. But, you've basically ruined a thread I'm trying to use to build a realistic list that the 92% who like their Tesla feel are the pros and cons (we all now there are some basic problems with electric cars even if Tesla built perfect cars - that's what I'm looking for - not the specific reliability issues some have experienced). My goal is NOT to destroy Tesla with my efforts. I will definitely try to present a realistic and honest picture of what it's like to own and drive a Tesla - but I'm not going to present the bitter opinions of the 8% that had a TERRIBLE experience with their Tesla. I respect that you hate Tesla now and want to post negatively any chance you can, but please take it to another thread (or website).
Either way, can you please refrain from posting so I can begin to re-read this thread and try to assemble the list from real posts?
Did anyone mentioned cost of insurance ad a con? Early on, insurance was cheap, now I think the insurance companies have caught on to the cost of repairs for Tesla and have increase premiums. Mine have been increasing 15% every 6 months for thr pass 3 renewal and I have called around and all of the other companies are the same or higher.
Did anyone mentioned cost of insurance ad a con? Early on, insurance was cheap, now I think the insurance companies have caught on to the cost of repairs for Tesla and have increase premiums. Mine have been increasing 15% every 6 months for thr pass 3 renewal and I have called around and all of the other companies are the same or higher.
This is a little off. It's not the charging cost vs the cost of one gallon of gasoline, it's actually how far you can go with the amount of energy stored in gasoline. According to the EPA, a gallon of gasoline contains 33.7 kWh. So if you get 3 miles per kWh, your MPGe is 100.1.Gas Savings – The EPA tests vehicles to determine the MPG fuel rating for a particular vehicle. This rating is somewhat difficult for electric cars since there is no “gallon”. So, the EPA uses MPGe – which basically means the equivalent number of miles an electric car can go for the charging cost of one gallon of gasoline. The Model 3, Model S, and Model X have a MPGe rating of 134, 102, and 85 respectively. No matter what kind of gas vehicle you currently drive, you will save money in a Tesla.
Progressive charges slightly less for my MS than my husband's decade old Audi. Maybe the safer aspects of the Tesla reduce bodily injury costs.I just switched to Progressive. I have always been with USAA and my premiums increased across the board so I decided to check with Progressive and I would up saving about 40%.
I also did some comparisons of my Model S to other manufacturer's similar cars just to see if it was Tesla that was expensive or just premium cars in general. I found basically no difference in the insurance cost when compared to the BMW 7-Series, MB S-Class, etc. We were even considering getting a 3 or 4 year old Audi Q7 to compliment our S (since I can't justify $85k for a Model X) and the Q7 insurance was so expensive I nixed the idea.
Mine has one occasional rattle: the grid in the back hatch that probably has speakers if you have the upgraded sound. I've had that back panel off a few times, so could be my fault. My car is nearly always quiet. Coming up on 147k miles. I did have a loaner a few months ago that had distracting rattles though; so I guess it's hit or miss.Another con is rattles and interior build quality.
Most S and X I have been in (including mine) have totally different and weird rattles. Tesla used to fix them so it wasn't a huge deal but now apparently they refuse to.
Elon promised some sort of app to diagnose rattles but of course it never happened just like 50% of the other crap he spews on Twitter.
Mine has one occasional rattle: the grid in the back hatch that probably has speakers if you have the upgraded sound. I've had that back panel off a few times, so could be my fault. My car is nearly always quiet. Coming up on 147k miles. I did have a loaner a few months ago that had distracting rattles though; so I guess it's hit or miss.