There is still value to developing HW3 regardless of whether they can foresee the exact computational requirements of FSD and limits of HW2. They’re certainly going to use HW3 capability for something at some point.
We get that you’re convinced. You should get that some aren’t convinced, and not because you’re smart and see reality and they’re dumb and crazy.
No, that really seems to be the reason... sorry
The original archetect of HW3, Jim Keller, also designed the AMD Athlon and K8 CPUs, designed the x86-64 instruction set, and developed the chips used in several generations of iphones/ipads...the other primary guy who worked on it Pete Bannon also developed multiple CPUs for Apple and holds a ton of microprocessor patents... they seem to think FSD needs HW3.
I'm gonna take their word on that over "random internet guy who just isn't convinced no matter what evidence he is given"
Especially when we
know for a fact HW2.5 is incapable of handling the full framerate of the 8 cameras on the car.
So I can't think of any reason anybody thinks FSD will work with crippled input processing that doesn't involve dumb or crazy.
can you?
Th
Everyone sees the same evidence you’ve cited 10 times. Many agree with you. But others don’t; they interpret that evidence differently as a whole.
Yeah, I get it... there's folks who think vaccines are bad for you too and the earth is flat, they're also wrong. And should be told so at every opportunity.
Th
There’s no question the definition of FSD is fluid, that Tesla doesn’t promise HW3 clearly at the web point of purchase (which should increase the take rate, which presumably they would want)
Wait- I thought you said everyone already knew the points I had presented?
because one of them is why that's wrong.
Tesla has been very clear about moving away, as much as possible, from confusing new, less tech-saavy, customers with geting into the weeds on hardware specs.
it's why they're moving strongly away from model designations based on battery size (because Joe Camry Owner doesn't care about "X kwh battery" and just going by "long range" or "short range".
Likewise they're not going to want to confuse a potential buyer, who might not buy
the entire car with wording about "this will get you a free AP computer upgrade in a few months when it becomes standard on Teslas" because he'd rather wait until it already comes in the car.... (or otherwise confuses him).
That's one of the things Elon himself mentioned several times when clarifying the upgrade was free and no need to wait to those who knew HW3 existed and asked (and anybody like that can easily find the same assurances in 5 minutes).
But leaving it off the order page avoids confusing the folks who don't know (or care) WTF HW3 is- they just know they want FSD features. And Tesla will insure they get the HW needed for it if they buy it (as they've always promised to do)
, and that Elon made an odd statement last night.
He really didn't.
He said FSD would be coming in software.
Software he's previously stated requires HW3.
Thus all the new cars coming with it just get OTA updates... but HW2.x cars will need HW3 to get/use that FSD software- and will get it free. As he's repeatedly made clear, as recently as last week, many many times.
But you are a bit dismissive of and aggressive toward anyone who isn’t as confident as you are that Tesla will not wiggle out of a “promise” that they’ve admittedly been pretty clear about in several contexts. I put that in quotes because there’s basically nothing contractually promised to FSD purchasers (no precise what, no when at all).
I mean, except for where they are precisely promised to get the HW3 autopilot computer for free if they bought FSD.
Repeatedly, specifically, promised that.
So again seeing a statement like you just made, when you claim the folks who disagree with the facts "know" those facts- it really doesn't seem like it.
Might Tesla miss the stated target date? Sure. Probably will. They miss target dates all the time.
But as I've asked over and over, and nobody has had an answer for- when have they taken someones money with a promise of a physical deliverable and then simply
refused to provide the deliverable
Not "be late with it", but just say "naah, we keep the money, you don't get the thing"