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Based on what I know I disagree with you. I *believe* that the IRS will treat all options to shares significantly different instruments.

The following scenarios should not trigger the wash sale rule and one should be able to claim the losses respectively:

Buy shares, sell them at loss, buy call(s) for 30 days, sell call(s) a month out, rebuy shares
Buy LEAPs, sell them at a loss, buy into shares straight away
Buy PUTs, sell them at a loss, buy into shares right away
Heck, even buy LEAPs a year out, wait, find they're at a loss, roll them a year out (as the date on the instrument changes, and that makes them significantly different instruments)

Correct me if I'm wrong please!
There has been some discussion on this … it’s not clear what the answer is. I’m going to try out buying a few calls to see if a part of my sale is tagged as wash sale by Fidelity. It’s easiest to go with what your broker reports, otherwise you risk audit and having to defend your returns with IRS.

Anyway, my point was … different.
 
Who ?

I’ve been watching Daily Trader on YT, seems to be good. As you say, he is more into what the price action and trend is, rather than prediction. I want to know what the TA guys are thinking …
Dan Shapiro. He has a game plan to play both sides of the market. I will say this requires active trading since he trades hourly charts. His daily videos on YouTube help to get a sense of how he is thinking about the market.
 
Dan Shapiro. He has a game plan to play both sides of the market. I will say this requires active trading since he trades hourly charts. His daily videos on YouTube help to get a sense of how he is thinking about the market.
I follow Dan in his daily trading room and he’s great. It’s basically active trading on the market that’s in front of us hour by hour. Quite effective and can capture sizable gains from daily moves!
 
Hmm - but is *this* investing?

Some people invest, some trade, everyone’s trying to eke out a living in the way they know best.

Most important is to maintain civil discourse here and remember that no one is forcing or paying anyone to post here, we are all learning from each other and veering into attacks and criticism is counterproductive, in fact we lost valuable members in the past due to thoughtless or insensitive comments and this thread of poorer for it.

Let’s keep things pleasant and welcoming.

❤️
 
Who ?

I’ve been watching Daily Trader on YT, seems to be good. As you say, he is more into what the price action and trend is, rather than prediction. I want to know what the TA guys are thinking …

Yep! Pierre Roberge on the Daily Trader is a fabulous TA analyst. His trend-trading approach can easily double and triple ones share count over time (i.e., go to cash when SP trend peaks and support breaks and stochastic loses 60 points on the Daily chart etc, and re-enter at valley and start of new uptrend when SP breaks over resistance with stochastic over 60, etc.).
 
Yep! Pierre Roberge on the Daily Trader is a fabulous TA analyst. His trend-trading approach can easily double and triple ones share count over time (i.e., go to cash when SP trend peaks and support breaks and stochastic loses 60 points on the Daily chart etc, and re-enter at valley and start of new uptrend when SP breaks over resistance with stochastic over 60, etc.).

As soon as there is a break of support and reversal to a downtrend I will have an open mind and see what Pierre Roberge and Technical analysis says. Upward and downward momentum is so strong. That’s one of the things technical analysis can identify. That’s the edge you have on the casino similar to counting cards than just buying every dip in a downtrend. Smarter to buy every dip when an uptrend resumes and there is momentum. Going against the trend might work for Michael Burry but not for everyone.
 
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what is "quite" right in your dictionary? Seems to me like unless someone has a 100% track record, then they're never good enough for you. Fortunately, you don't have to be 100% right in trading to make money. In fact, if you're right about 60% of the time and have stellar risk management, you can make a comfortable living out of it.

On January 9th, I said

On January 11th, we got rejected at 126 and dropped 8.4% to 115.6 over the next 2 days. On the 11th, I said

On January 18th, we got rejected at 136.65 and dropped 8.8% to 124.31 the next day.
On January 26th, I said

On January 27th, we got rejected at 181 and dropped 9.77% to 163 the next day.
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Do you have any idea how much money can be made on a 8-10% drop on TSLA, levels given at least a week in advance? A boat load. Sure, I've been wrong, too, a lot actually, but if you followed my levels and warnings, you'd have made a lot of money on a net-net basis. That's what trading is. I have nothing but respect for you, but to be honest you're not acting much differently from TSLAQ who laughed at us for following our thesis. It seems that, to you, it's your way or the highway. You seem to happily skip over instances when someone is right to go straight to sneer at them when they're wrong.

Pierre Roberge noted stochastic below 60% on the hourly timeframe. Mauro calling for a top from last week and going down
There might be money to be made on the way down. Is it happening next week till March?

Anyone bought puts or hedged against a downturn at this point?
Or still waiting for confirmation and break of support?
 

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Anyone bought puts or hedged against a downturn at this point? Or still waiting for confirmation and break of support?

I did. At 213 I sold a bunch of CC’s (2/17 250 strike) and closed them at 96% profit on Friday. I also bought last week several 150 puts for April and closed them Friday too. Overall some nice income, not complaining ;- )

I’m no TA expert but given all the information I’ve read and observed the past few days, including from our resident EWT expert @dl003, I’m positioned for a modest move up over 200 (205-215) this week at which point I plan to sell CC’s for 250 again and open some new puts. It may or may not happen, I’m prepared either way.
 
This is a great summary. What do you mean by “lottery ticket LEAPs”?

These would be what I consider well OTM Leaps for the farthest expiration - right now the June 2025.

For me the $350's are what I consider Lottery tickets - as the share price would have to raise significantly between now and June 2024 to make them valuable.
It has happened many times in the past with TSLA so I see it as a worth while experiment.

They are not cheap - if held to expiration the underlying would need to be $400+ to pay out...
But if it was in the $300's before June of next year the value would be well worth it.

So, basically anything between +/- 20% of the ATH is fair game for a lottery ticket.

I am a gambler and that is part of the reason I love this stuff, and instead of playing the Powerball, I play TSLA.

I like my chances
 
These would be what I consider well OTM Leaps for the farthest expiration - right now the June 2025.

For me the $350's are what I consider Lottery tickets - as the share price would have to raise significantly between now and June 2024 to make them valuable.
It has happened many times in the past with TSLA so I see it as a worth while experiment.

They are not cheap - if held to expiration the underlying would need to be $400+ to pay out...
But if it was in the $300's before June of next year the value would be well worth it.

So, basically anything between +/- 20% of the ATH is fair game for a lottery ticket.

I am a gambler and that is part of the reason I love this stuff, and instead of playing the Powerball, I play TSLA.

I like my chances

Unfortunately, I have some of those (Jan’24) in my ladder from 11/21 🥴! Although YTD they are +4x vs. +1.6x for shares. I had been thinking of rolling them out, but then noticed they are appreciating faster than what I would have rolled to. Guess I’ll roll them during 2Q.
 
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