Yep. Agreed. Tesla/Elon said on call what I assumed all along. They only need the single GF in Reno and the single factory (Fremont) to get to 1M cars/year.
They'll be a lot of talk about new GFs and new Factories in the near term (media etc).
Read My Lips: No new factories needed
New factories are NOT on the critical path to 2017-2020 production volumes.
He said:
Elon Musk (Chairman and CEO) said:
I don't think we'll be raising money for new factories before we add volume production for the Model 3. And then as Jason was saying earlier, we'll try to find as much of this as possible from operating cash flow.
But he also said, which could mean he's considering building all M3's for Europe and China locally. That would be aggressive (the wild ride will continue):
Elon Musk (Chairman and CEO) said:
But some of the things are just sort of common sense that manufacturing cars in California and then
shipping them all around the world is not a very efficient thing to do, particularly as you go to more
affordable vehicles.
So at some point it's going to make sense to have a plant in Europe and a plant in China and probably
plants in other parts of the world. So that's kind of the natural thing you'd expect to do. It wouldn't make
sense to ship cars from California to Europe or California to Asia in those volumes. It's not an efficient way
to go.
And particularly as we saturate on Fremont volume in terms of satisfying demand in North America, just to
satisfy demand in North America, for our future product lineup we're going to need more than one plant
in North America, just to satisfy North America demand.
Do we know for certain that there will be significant CAPex spending in Q2? I am of the opinion that they will make Q2 the watershed quarter to prove that Tesla is profitable based on Q2 deliveries+TE. As vgrinshpun projected based on conservative assumptions, it is indeed possible.
So could the plan be, silence the doubters in Q2, SP skyrockets, then get investors on the table for a new offering and Capex begins Q3 and onwards?
Elon Musk (Chairman and CEO) said:
So it's going to make sense for us to raise some amount of money, some combination of equity and debt, and to make sure the company has a good buffer of cash on hand. I think it's important for de-risking the company.
Jason Wheeler (CFO) said:
I don't want to go into the details of what we think the total capital cost is going to be for the Model 3 program, but certainly as we continue to ramp, there's going to be more capital requirements of the company. That's just a fact. Ideally I'd like to fund as much of that as possible with cash flow from operations, so that is really the focus that we have in the short-term.
I think that they will probably get a loan at good terms and then supplement that with self-funding from operations, but they could flip the order.
I can't help thinking that this buying opportunity ($210) is even better than the most recent buying opportunity ($140s). The 140s opportunity was one of the best. But this $210 opportunity, I think, is probably better because it's POST-Model 3 reveal with 400k reservations, which proves demand high enough to fuel Tesla growth for the decade to come.
I completely agree. An
excellent time to load up on stock or LEAPS.
It's always easy for new money to think like that. I bought a bunch of 2017 leaps a while back, 200 strike at a price of about 50. I am worried about the play here. Before ER the game was obvious. Then suddenly management chose to change the play for worse. Now I don't know what to expect.
I think that they just changed the long-term play for much much better. Your LEAPS closed today at bid/ask 36.55/37.40. I think that rolling them to J18's strikes between 220 43.00/44.30 and 250 32.70/34.25 will be safer and prove quite lucrative. I think that keeping your current options will also work, but I think rolling them (at some point, not necessarily now) will be safer.
Edit addition:
I'd use an options price calculator to see if it makes more sense to roll with a higher SP or a lower SP is better before deciding when to roll.
Just another thought on TE. Elon mentioned about the S curve and admits the flat runway prior to exponential growthis longer for car manufacturing. I think it is the opposite for battery cell manufacturing seeing that this is already an established industry. They likely only need to replicate what Panasonic is doing currently and that the machines that make the machine are already in place.
That is incorrect.
The GF Will Use Custom Cell Manufacturing Equipment:
Tesla and Panasonic will be using custom cell manufacturing equipment at the GF, and that will have a big impact on the cost reductions:
Elon Musk (Chairman and CEO) said:
“In your question you had [indiscernible] should be corrected, like the -- so the 30% savings is not just due to logistics. Logistics is a big factor. We are --”
[B]JB Straubel - Chief Technology Officer[/B] said:
“It's not even the biggest though.”
Elon Musk (Chairman and CEO) said:
Logistics [indiscernible] the fact that it's just go to one station to the next instead of going from multiple entities to multiple entities. But really when you get to the kinds of scale that we're talking about, you really get to design custom equipment that's much better at processing each step. And you really get to design the machine that makes the machine, not just do so with off-the-shelf equipment. So it took -- everything about it is going to get a whole lot better. That's why we think the 30% number when the Giga Factory is at full production is a conservative number.”
Some implications of that:
Colocation and the use of custom large scale equipment and getting good prices on raw materials are the main reasons for the GF cost reductions.
Designing and building the custom equipment only make sense financially because of the massive scale of the GF, (they need to build more than one of these production lines). This equipment is designed and optimized to be used in large scale production lines. The first line will probably complete phase one of about seven(?) of the plants cell production capacity. Assuming seven phases it means each line will produce about5 GWh per year, or about 15% of the entire worlds supply of Lithium Ion batteries!
Using custom equipment was clearly Tesla's idea. A big part of the reason GM's pack costs will be at least 2x (probably 3x) of Tesla's. It makes no sense to me that anyone could think that Tesla can't learn to produce cars as well as or better than GM. It's a simpler more well understood problem.
Sure, I wish Elon and his team would have handled this ER differently. Ie., Don't share the stretch goals or internal targets, be more specific on capital needs, raise the money together with announcing production plan increase, etc. But it all doesn't bother me much. As a long-term investor, I'm just happy that people are going to be buying Model 3 cars like crazy. I'm happy that production is increasing so that more people don't have to wait for years and as a result more people can buy the car. All this means more revenue, and more growth. As a short-term hobby trader, I'm fine the stock is down after ER because it provides me a trading opportunity as I think the post-ER reaction is an over-reaction and the stock will bounce.
Might be a good idea to wait a few weeks to make a decision?