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Electrek made a mountain of an article out of nothing. Reading electrek is just like reading the rants in this forum. We can be sure, Electrek will write an article about every MWH of TE installation. We will not miss any if we follow their news feed.

BTW, I received this email yesterday from Tesla. My guess is, the price increase will be delayed due for high demand
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Good morning. So I was thinking last night about the SP on Friday. On Friday, it was mostly flat throughout the day and a drop near the end. We've seen this before, haven't we.

After the Q3 delivery numbers, it shot up, and in the next day, it was flat for most of the day, then it dropped off at the end of the day. In the following day, the SP dropped off a cliff due to the downgrade by GS. Some people suspect that a small pocket of people knew it was coming so they sold ahead of time.

I'm wondering if we may see a repeat of that here.
 
BTW, I received this email yesterday from Tesla. My guess is, the price increase will be delayed due for high demand

What does this even mean? The price increase will be delayed - that's your actual prediction? That they e-mail you and say that in one week the price will increase by $2000 and you think it is likely one week passes and Tesla says "by the way, the e-mail we sent you was untrue, we'll wait another four weeks before the price increases"? Let's check back in a week shall we, and see how strong your deducive skills are?
 
Somebody queried the existence of a 500kW Battery.
In fact there are 'Batteries' much bigger than that.
There is no limit to the size of an 'ILIOS Green Battey' and it is entirely MECHANICAL
So big that it can propel a very large Container Ship for 50 days, before "recharging".
It is hoped that one day it will even drive Motorcars.
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Reality is objective and is not subject to an election.

Given my admittedly limited knowledge of quantum mechanics which is informed only by popular interpretations, our limited mechanical world is but a series of events marked by measurements collapsing the wave equation which is a summary of the probabilities of all possible outcomes. Given the multi-universe add-on dimension of string theory, there is also an outcome where Hillary wins the electoral vote where the problem of the "faithless" elector might come into play as discussed by my coauthor in his part of our 1993 book. We won't know if that outcome is going to happen until January. I speculate as I suppose you do that outcome is not going to happen in our universe but there may be one where it does.

So, if you mean the second law of thermodynamics determines outcomes ultimately, then I understand what you mean, although at least one physicist has published his belief the laws of physics themselves may change over time.

But elections do have consequences which are real. My immigrant wife, though legally certified as a permanent resident for over 13 years (now renewed after one of the ten year cycles), has fears for her safety as do many of her peers, not just for their lives because of the police whose national union backed Trump (she's not black) and we don't dare travel in the south. (Somewhere in Pennsylvania in a 2009 cross country trip many "all white" customers in an Italian restaurant were served some of the same dishes we ordered though they arrived later.) My wife and friends fear a random act of violence by someone who is so insecure he/she/it feels it necessary to throw acid or gasoline, followed by a match, which has already happened. Her reality is different from yours and mine, but it is real and endangered by the 2016 election in our universe. It is so real that many colleges like hers have notified all students they will be protected by the administration as has my former university and others in California. Of course these public institutions have a commitment to education and expanding students' freedom through knowledge, not just a wannabe money-making vehicle for immigrants who wish to succeed in real estate.
 
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Good morning. So I was thinking last night about the SP on Friday. On Friday, it was mostly flat throughout the day and a drop near the end. We've seen this before, haven't we.

After the Q3 delivery numbers, it shot up, and in the next day, it was flat for most of the day, then it dropped off at the end of the day. In the following day, the SP dropped off a cliff due to the downgrade by GS. Some people suspect that a small pocket of people knew it was coming so they sold ahead of time.

I'm wondering if we may see a repeat of that here.

Possibly - but after going back and reading about 40-50 of your most recent posts - I'm thinking you have a specific role in this forum to try to bring FUD to those that frequent this forum. That's fine but lets call a spade a spade. You can only light so many matches before someone can say you are acting like an arsonist
 
Yeah, I think you are right... Tesla will likely fall short of that $1 trillion dollar valuation in 2017. After all, each GWh of stationary storage likely only brings in $75 to $100 million in gross profit at volume. So, what is substantial GWh's... like say, a modest 4 GWH in 2017 would only be $300 to 400 million in gross profit. That's nothing. It won't even be a blip on Tesla's 10-Q. And if they only manage to ship 10 GWh in 2018, that's again nearly nothing... only $750 million to $1 billion gross profit. They have a shot at doubling those figures, btw. We'll see soon enough.
I assume that they have set up the TE production lines to at least match the cell production. I believe that Phase 1 of the GF will produce about 15 GWh of cells per year. I realize that they might not start cell production on time and when they start production it could take them a month or two to ramp production.

OTOH I'm sure that they are basing their cell production on estimates by Panasonic who have a lot of experience setting up and ramping cell production lines, and Tesla has a lot of experience assembling cells into modules, and modules into packs.

So I would not be surprised if Tesla delivers 12-14 GWh of TE products in 2017 and I'd be very surprised if Tesla delivers less than 8 GWh in 2017.

Would you please walk us though how you estimated the profit per GWh?
 
Possibly - but after going back and reading about 40-50 of your most recent posts - I'm thinking you have a specific role in this forum to try to bring FUD to those that frequent this forum. That's fine but lets call a spade a spade. You can only light so many matches before someone can say you are acting like an arsonist

Annoyed, frustrated, pessimistic, yeah. But you're talking to someone who has 150% of his lifes savings in this stock at the average buy price of 217, so yeah.
 
Possibly - but after going back and reading about 40-50 of your most recent posts - I'm thinking you have a specific role in this forum to try to bring FUD to those that frequent this forum.


To what end? People here talk about holding the stock even if it hits 100. Do you think that any one would think that by posting anonymously on a forum, that those people would change their views? Seriously?

One man's FUD is another person's view of reality.
One man's OCS (Optimism, Certainty and Sureness), is another person's BS

There is so much OCS here that having an alternative viewpoint is helpful.
 
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Annoyed, frustrated, pessimistic, yeah. But you're talking to someone who has 150% of his lifes savings in this stock at the average buy price of 217, so yeah.

Wouldnt worry too much about that, hold it one or two more years and it will be well above that, I think you are going to be fine. I took some of my TSLA gains 2015 to buy a 2016 Tesla Model X in May, but reestablished a sizeable position with an average purchase price of $203 in one account and $205 in another. Looking forward to replacing our eGolf with the Model 3 next year and the stock to blow past the $250 by 2018 the latest.
 
Annoyed, frustrated, pessimistic, yeah. But you're talking to someone who has 150% of his lifes avings in this stock at the average buy price of 217, so yeah.

No reason to be pessimistic, the reasons you bought in at 217 are the same things that will get the stock to the $1T valuation that Elon talks about. That will mean about a 500x return which means your net worth will go up by 750%! That is really money!
 
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To say Bolt is not based on Sonic is to be purposely obtuse.

I am thinking you haven't bothered to do your homework:
Please stop responding to these intentionally foolish posts. Or please respond by sending a PM.

Have mercy on those of us who are not being "purposely obtuse" or have "bothered to do [a little bit] homework":
 
Wouldnt worry too much about that, hold it one or two more years and it will be well above that, I think you are going to be fine. I took some of my TSLA gains 2015 to buy a 2016 Tesla Model X in May, but reestablished a sizeable position with an average purchase price of $203 in one account and $205 in another. Looking forward to replacing our eGolf with the Model 3 next year and the stock to blow past the $250 by 2018 the latest.

Yes, knowing the model 3 is roughly a year away, and knowing what that will do to the SP is sometimes the only thing holding my sanity together. Some of you guys come off as pretty well off, while I'm renting a room out of some guy's condo, and losing a whole paycheck before I even get to work in the morning multiple times this month is a bit painful. So sorry, to you Johan, I guess we won't be friends, but I am hanging in there, even if I'm a bit sour at times.
 
I assume that they have set up the TE production lines to at least match the cell production. I believe that Phase 1 of the GF will produce about 15 GWh of cells per year. I realize that they might not start cell production on time and when they start production it could take them a month or two to ramp production.

OTOH I'm sure that they are basing their cell production on estimates by Panasonic who have a lot of experience setting up and ramping cell production lines, and Tesla has a lot of experience assembling cells into modules, and modules into packs.

So I would not be surprised if Tesla delivers 12-14 GWh of TE products in 2017 and I'd be very surprised if Tesla delivers less than 8 GWh in 2017.

Would you please walk us though how you estimated the profit per GWh?

This is a good point, Tesla hasn't given guidance on TE but we can start to estimate guidance based on estimated GF phase 1 production for 2017. Has tesla given any estimates as to when phase 1 should reach full capacity? Thankfully panasonic has a lot of experience ramping cell production, and ramping cell production is a hell of a lot easier than ramping production on a totally new car platform.
 
Yes, knowing the model 3 is roughly a year away, and knowing what that will do to the SP is sometimes the only thing holding my sanity together. Some of you guys come off as pretty well off, while I'm renting a room out of some guy's condo, and losing a whole paycheck before I even get to work in the morning multiple times this month is a bit painful. So sorry, to you Johan, I guess we won't be friends, but I am hanging in there, even if I'm a bit sour at times.

This just comes with the territory if you are going to invest in a high beta stock like Tesla. It is pretty much impossible to perfectly time the bottom, so if you think the long term prospects of the company are still good then the best thing to do is to dollar cost average your position down by adding a bit here and there on dips. If you don't like the swings of a high beta stock then an index fund is probably your best bet.
 
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Is it me or did Elon gain some weight?

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This is a good point, Tesla hasn't given guidance on TE but we can start to estimate guidance based on estimated GF phase 1 production for 2017. Has tesla given any estimates as to when phase 1 should reach full capacity?
I don't think so. I think phase 1 is about one seventh of the total which was originally going to be 35 GWh (5 GWh) x 3 = 15 GWh (Tesla's production enhancements).

On a call Elon asked JB(?) if the cell production was going to be 2x or 3x, so it's possible that they start off with a capacity (minus possible ramp time) of only about 5 GWh. OTOH JB and Elon both said very strongly that they don't expect any problem producing enough cells for both TE and the M3. So I would not be surprised if Tesla delivers 12-14 GWh of TE products in 2017 and I'd be very surprised if Tesla delivers less than 6-8 GWh in 2017.

Thankfully panasonic has a lot of experience ramping cell production, and ramping cell production is a hell of a lot easier than ramping production on a totally new car platform.
Exactly. They have done that quite a few times, and getting it going quickly is always important (start making money on a huge investment).
 
A Field Guide to Manipulative Short-Selling Techniques

To possess a full picture of the investing landscape for this stock, you need to understand the techniques presently used by TSLA short-sellers, the consequences upon stock price of those techniques, and how to properly trade around them. That is the aim of this message.

Overview
Transactions by short sellers very often exceed transactions by longs trading TSLA stock for any given day. The net effect of activity by some particular shorts is many times greater than the effect one would expect by simply looking at the net change in shares controlled by shorts. This is because the shorts are very prolific at selling and buying and because their transactions are often calculated for maximum negative effect upon the TSLA stock price. This downward push on TSLA is for three reasons: to make money with short term trading, to protect any core short positions held, and to force a continuation of the downtrend, which is the most profitable environment for both general shorting and the use of specialized trading techniques on TSLA stock.

The Good News
The prolific and creative short trading that we currently see will not persist with anywhere near its current effectiveness. Much better days for TSLA lay ahead. Once an uptrend begins, the profitability of short-selling, including many creative techniques, vanishes or is substantially reduced. TSLA is currently priced historically low at a time when Tesla just delivered a profitable quarter with outstanding positive cash generation, and Q4, which is already half over now, will likely be even more profitable. An uptrend brings speculators and day traders back to TSLA. Ever wonder why volume is so slim? It's going to change as we head well into an uptrend. The day traders in particular can neutralize some of the manipulations worked by the shorts.

The unreasonable downtrend that TSLA has experienced in past months is largely due to the creative techniques employed by large, experienced short sellers who have enough horsepower to manipulate the stock price. Of course some stock price decline occurred because of investor fears of the SCTY merger's effect upon cash flow and upon fears of the presidential election and its outcome. Those fears have been blown out of proportion to their true values, however. Want proof? Nearly 85% of TSLA shareholders just approved the SCTY merger. How could such a positive view of the merger coexist with such a negative view of its effect upon the stock price? Here's another one. An intelligent member of our community has suggested that big institutions selling 8 million shares of TSLA in Q3 is largely responsible for a $35 drop in the value of TSLA. Let's see... 4 million shares volume/day x 80 days = 320 million shares traded in quarter and he's theorizing an extra 2% selling resulted in a stock price drop of 15-20%? That's quite a stretch. I point this out because investors will look for explanations to the prolonged downtrend that TSLA has been on and will fail to realize when the conditions that support that downtrend are about to disappear unless they understand the short-selling side of the equation.

How to Recognize Short Selling
Here are two telltale signs of manipulative short-selling. First, if the stock price is showing significant dips followed by immediate near recoveries, you're seeing a sign of likely manipulative short-selling. The deep dip followed by an immediate near-recovery tells us that investors have significantly different views of the stock's value. One or more shorts are selling lots of shares (big dip) and other investors are very quickly thereafter bidding the stock price back up nearly to its starting point. After a few gyrations, the stock price clearly turns negative. Take a look at this classic example of a short-selling induced dip. This Event occurred on October 4, the second trading day after the excellent Q3 delivery numbers were released. Shorts were concerned that TSLA could rise above 215 and then run much higher after crossing a critical technical point. Notice the deep dips, the partial recoveries, and the more deep dips.

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Deep dips and immediate near recoveries

Note: wide swings in a stock price don't necessarily mean there's manipulative short selling taking place. For example, in after-hours trading right after the SCTY merger was approved, we saw divergent up and down trading for a short period of time. This was likely the market trying to figure out how to price TSLA after an 85% approval vote of the merger with one part of the news (85%) suggesting higher price and another part of the news (approved) suggesting lower price.

The second major hallmark of manipulative short-selling is strongly horizontal trading at times when the stock has an incentive to go higher. The best recent example of this was Oct 3 when the Q3 deliver numbers first started trading. TSLA jumped up $10 and then leveled off, amazingly so. Just as with Oct 4 when the shorts were willing to go deeper in order to prevent TSLA from exceeding the technically-significant 215 level, on Oct 3 shorts managed to get the rising stock price under control by selling a bit above 214, pushing it down to 213 and then holding it there with more selling.At times the stock crept up to 214, which became the new selling point and when some weakness was detected, the stock was again pushed back toward 213. Longs came away with the incorrect view that fear of the upcoming merger must be the reason for this lackluster response to such excellent delivery numbers. If they looked harder, they would have seen that shorts fought (and won) a major battle to keep TSLA below 214.

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Amazingly horizontal trading when the stock should be heading higher

The Three Main Forms of Manipulative Short-Selling
The Mandatory Morning Dip


We Tesla investors have grown used to seeing the stock take a morning dip the vast majority of days within the past couple months. Is this normal for a stock? Of course not. What we're seeing is selling by shorts early in the day with two goals: make money and depress the stock price. Short-term shorts make money on a mandatory morning dip when it discourages longs and the stock price descends further. Algobots are more than happy to chip in with selling if a dip begins, and sometimes weak longs and freelance shorts join the selling too. The initiators of the dip buy towards the bottom of this dip they started and realize a gain. Their short position remains the same for the day, but they made money on the trade. More importantly, the morning dip is a wet blanket over any effort to get a rally started with the stock. Weak shorts are unlikely to jump ship on a morning when the day begins with a dip. It's this fear of a mutiny, of weak shorts buying to close in a panic that concerns the manipulative big-dog shorts, and the morning dip is a control to avoid this undesired development.

The Low-Volume Afternoon Selling Slope
We've all seen days when TSLA trades in a reasonable fashion for most of the day and then goes into a funk during the final hours of trading and the stock price drops as the slope of the daily trading chart heads steadily downhill. There's no support for this move with the broader markets, there's no news to justify the decline, but it's happening before our eyes. What's happening is that short-sellers are selling in these low-volume hours, getting much more bang-for-their-buck in depressing the stock price, due to the very low volumes of late afternoon trading. The stock might have traded in the green when 80% of the day's trades took place, but the business reports focus on the day's performance, and a close in the red (even after trading in very thin volume) is reported as a bad day for the stock.

Capping Behavior
The Oct 3 daily chart gives you a great view of capping behavior in action. It is basically setting a maximum price for TSLA, and selling as necessary to keep TSLA below this number. Usually it occurs around a whole number. If the stock shows some momentary weakness, selling can be accelerated a bit to push the price down to the next whole dollar. If too much effort is needed to hold a price, the stock price can be allowed to climb a dollar and a new cap is established there. Capping behavior is profitable for the short-seller if it is successful. A success means that the price never for long exceeds the chosen price caps, and once the stock sinks lower, the capping short-seller can buy to close at a nice profit.

The Defenses for Manipulative Short Selling
Defense 1: The Mandatory Morning Dip-
The solution is simple: consider the short-sellers as generous souls who are subsidizing your purchase of additional TSLA shares. When you think the dip has bottomed out, buy then. Don't wait too long because sometimes the dip retraces quickly. Never buy on open. You know the dip usually occurs. Take advantage of it.

Defense 2: The Low-Volume Afternoon Selling Slope
Often, the best price of the day will be found within half an hour of closing, sometimes much closer to closing than that. Ask yourself if there's any justification for this selling. If not, you're getting a discount. Wait until as close to closing as possible, before there's any significant rebound in the stock price and buy then. It's a pretty good rule of thumb for getting the best price that day once an afternoon low-volume selling slope is established.

Defense 3: Capping Behavior
This is a tougher nut to crack and here's why: all traders, short and long, make money by buying low and selling high (but not necessarily in that order). Capping behavior works so well for shorts because they enter a position by selling, and they are selling at the highest price you'll likely see in days. It's easy money if you are a big-dog short with the horsepower to cap the stock price. Unless you have the funds to trade 5,000 to 10,000 shares at a time, you're probably not going to dent the cap. Don't even consider taking one for the team if you're a small investor, you're just going to be buying high, which we all try to avoid. Your best bet is to look for a capping effort that may not succeed. You're looking for a chink in the armor. When you see the cap giving way to buying pressure, there's a chance to buy right then and possibly ride the rally to the next higher level. Here's an image from Nov 17, the day the merger results were announced. Look at the cap that was placed at 187. It wasn't defended well and began sloping up. You could buy not much higher than 187 and sell at either an immediate gain of 189 or hold until after-hours and sell at 192.

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The Bigger Picture
The ability of shorts to push TSLA down on any given day is the little picture. The big picture is the false narrative which this trading creates. If the story the shorts were telling was a book, it would belong in the fiction section of the store because it's not a true story. It's an illusion, a fantasy being sold to longs and plenty (unfortunately) are buying it. The story goes something like this: Tesla is trading at 185 now because two events have reduced the value of the stock, the presidential election results and the extra risk brought to Tesla through the SCTY merger. The story is false, however, because while we don't really know the full impact of a Trump presidency on TSLA, Elon has presented good evidence that any disappearance of subsidies (probably won't happen though) hurts competitors more than it hurts Tesla and because initial communications coming from the Trump camp is that he has no ill-intents for clean energy. Peter Teal having the president's ear doesn't hurt, either. As for the risk of the merger, Tesla projections are for the ability to reach Model 3 production without the need for any equity raises. If you are someone who doubts Elon and thinks a billion will be needed, then that money will likely come early in 2017 after Q4 delivery numbers, ER, and guidance sends the stock higher. Let's say there's some big problem, though, an earthquake in Fremont or something. Musk is a billionaire with multiple billion dollar businesses and he has the resources for arranging a billion dollar loan, in a tight situation. Do any of you believe for a minute he wouldn't accept the risk to save Tesla?

And so the question is not whether Tesla will have the resources to reach Model 3 production. It can find the resources if it needs them, thank you. The question is "When does TSLA climb out of this trading funk and begin a serious climb higher?" The games played today by the shorts become more difficult and sometimes impossible once TSLA begins a long uptrend, and it's time for that uptrend to begin. Given the excellent performance of Tesla the company in the past quarter, how can today's price be seen as anything other than oversold?

The mere understanding that a large percentage (and I believe it is the greatest percentage) of TSLA's stock price decline in recent months is the result of heavy, manipulative short-selling brings a different frame of mind to Tesla investors. The downside for the stock is limited while the upside is immense. It is time to accumulate but time to accumulate intelligently, with a knowledge of how the short-sellers operate.

An understanding that Tesla's future is bright and that the short sellers are going to be losing a good deal of power when the stock performance turns positive should be something that you embrace.

What do I see as the biggest threat in the next 6 months? I think it is macros. I'm not predicting anything negative in macros, but I am a realist and believe TSLA is not immune to the macro winds, primarily because Tesla investors haven't yet found their mojo again.

Is it only clear skies ahead? Of course not. Shorts aren't willing to let go of promoting the illusion that Tesla is suffering from fears of the SCTY merger. I'd be surprised if they don't try to resume their selling Monday morning and sell the fictional story of Tesla being gorked because of all the risk involved in buying SCTY. Study the trading styles of the shorts, buy when it makes sense, and once the uptrend is firmly established you will see that the degree of manipulation we're seeing from shorts will shrink to a much more manageable level. The shorts need fear in the hearts of the longs to succeed. See through their illusions.
 
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