Tesla Chicago store gets looted

[Uncle Paul]

Seems like everybody feels like they are an expert, but typically just cherry pick details to support their side.

Seems like racists are on both sides of the arguments. Each trying to scream louder than the other.

Media has taken sides, so no longer should be taken seriously. Mostly racists there as well.

 

[bkp_duke]

Seems like everybody feels like they are an expert, but typically just cherry pick details to support their side.

Seems like racists are on both sides of the arguments. Each trying to scream louder than the other.

Media has taken sides, so no longer should be taken seriously. Mostly racists there as well.

Our we could just watch the video . . . seems pretty clear people are just committing illegal, violent acts.

I don't give a flying @#$% what your political affiliation is in that circumstance, you need to serve some jail time for vandalism, theft, breaking and entering, etc.

 

[SSedan]

Seems like everybody feels like they are an expert, but typically just cherry pick details to support their side.

Seems like racists are on both sides of the arguments. Each trying to scream louder than the other.

Media has taken sides, so no longer should be taken seriously. Mostly racists there as well.

Screaming racists is just a way to avoid talking details and facts. I would in this case call my ideological opponents misinformed not racists. There are racists out there on all sided, but they are rare compared to how often that criticism is levelled.

Let's talk details known a few weeks or months after an event and see what ones actually look like the officers were racist......

I am aware of none and am completely open to hearing about some if they exist. There are definitely some bad officers out there but they are exceedingly rare.

Those claiming racism by police and that they face no consequence. Over and over we see these cases of black men dying and the police charged inside a week only to find out later the rest of the story and the shooting is clean, however tragic.
Let us compare to the death of Justine Diamond at the hands of another Minneapolis officer the shooting was in July the arrest in March.........and she was the one who called police not the one police were called on.

I am not going to say race drove the way it was handled or had anything to do with the events, I will say it was a case where due process was followed rather than a false narrative being used to manipulate for political gain.

 

[Uncle Paul]

Duke and SS. I am on your side. Agree totally.

My post was a little cryptic. Meant that often those screeming RACIST! are the most racist of all.

 

[ElectricIAC]

Duke and SS. I am on your side. Agree totally.

My post was a little cryptic. Meant that often those screeming RACIST! are the most racist of all.

Yes, It's called projection and is painfully obvious by the side clammoring the loudest.

 

[bkp_duke]

Duke and SS. I am on your side. Agree totally.

My post was a little cryptic. Meant that often those screeming RACIST! are the most racist of all.

Understood. Does seem to be an overused dog whistle these days.

 

[banned-66611]

Understood. Does seem to be an overused dog whistle these days.

Probably because there is so much racism going around.

 

[MXLRplus]

Probably because there is so much racism going around.

We have been saturated with political marketing and social engineering to believe Americans are more divided now than any time in modern history. This is a function of the surge in social media use by professional marketing agencies and foreign intelligence services.

The truth is wildly different. Americans are more tolerant of our differences than any other time in US history. I was raised in the 1960's. There were at least seven major divisors of our nation:

• Racial equality: It was legal in some areas to discriminate. On top of that were personal prejudices. We had serious riots over this.
• Sexual equality: You had less human rights if you were female or gay. It was the law, not perception.
• Environmental concerns: You could not see 400 yards in Los Angeles some days. There were body counts on the nightly news. It affected your daily life, and there was no doubt as to the cause. Your lungs hurt. Your eyes burned. Weak people died from respiratory arrest.
• The Vietnam conflict: Poor kids, disproportionately minorities, entirely male, were sent to the other side of the planet to fight a war that most Americans no longer agreed with. Tens of thousands of young men were dying. Not a handful.
• Censorship: All our media outlets were heavily censored to promote a vision of America that was Wonder Bread - White and Wholesome.
• Capitalism vs Socialism: Once again in US history, there was a strong push by the left for the abolishment of capitalism.
• The Generation Gap: This term was born in the 1960's. Ideological differences between the <30 and >30 demographics was polarized. Young people were hippies and old people were squares.

Pretending we are reliving the 1960's is absurd. Those who are marketing it to you know that, but due to their constant onslaught of propaganda you cannot see where the real conflict is. Those with power are legally bending your mind using social media to enhance their power and wealth at your expense, yes you are paying them to do it to you. There are so many people out there with poor critical thinking skills that it works amazingly well.

How easy is it to bend intelligent people's minds? Do you believe lemmings run over a cliff and commit mass suicide? Why? Because a large entertainment/media company told you it was true. That idea will never die. Most college professors believe it and they are in charge of training the next generation of professors.

 

[AMPd]

We have been saturated with political marketing and social engineering to believe Americans are more divided now than any time in modern history. This is a function of the surge in social media use by professional marketing agencies and foreign intelligence services.

The truth is wildly different. Americans are more tolerant of our differences than any other time in US history. I was raised in the 1960's. There were at least seven major divisors of our nation:

• Racial equality: It was legal in some areas to discriminate. On top of that were personal prejudices. We had serious riots over this.
• Sexual equality: You had less human rights if you were female or gay. It was the law, not perception.
• Environmental concerns: You could not see 400 yards in Los Angeles some days. There were body counts on the nightly news. It affected your daily life, and there was no doubt as to the cause. Your lungs hurt. Your eyes burned. Weak people died from respiratory arrest.
• The Vietnam conflict: Poor kids, disproportionately minorities, entirely male, were sent to the other side of the planet to fight a war that most Americans no longer agreed with. Tens of thousands of young men were dying. Not a handful.
• Censorship: All our media outlets were heavily censored to promote a vision of America that was Wonder Bread - White and Wholesome.
• Capitalism vs Socialism: Once again in US history, there was a strong push by the left for the abolishment of capitalism.
• The Generation Gap: This term was born in the 1960's. Ideological differences between the <30 and >30 demographics was polarized. Young people were hippies and old people were squares.

Pretending we are reliving the 1960's is absurd. Those who are marketing it to you know that, but due to their constant onslaught of propaganda you cannot see where the real conflict is. Those with power are legally bending your mind using social media to enhance their power and wealth at your expense, yes you are paying them to do it to you. There are so many people out there with poor critical thinking skills that it works amazingly well.

How easy is it to bend intelligent people's minds? Do you believe lemmings run over a cliff and commit mass suicide? Why? Because a large entertainment/media company told you it was true. That idea will never die. Most college professors believe it and they are in charge of training the next generation of professors.

If I could love your post twice I would.

 

[ElectricIAC]

We have been saturated with political marketing and social engineering to believe Americans are more divided now than any time in modern history. This is a function of the surge in social media use by professional marketing agencies and foreign intelligence services.

The truth is wildly different. Americans are more tolerant of our differences than any other time in US history. I was raised in the 1960's. There were at least seven major divisors of our nation:

• Racial equality: It was legal in some areas to discriminate. On top of that were personal prejudices. We had serious riots over this.
• Sexual equality: You had less human rights if you were female or gay. It was the law, not perception.
• Environmental concerns: You could not see 400 yards in Los Angeles some days. There were body counts on the nightly news. It affected your daily life, and there was no doubt as to the cause. Your lungs hurt. Your eyes burned. Weak people died from respiratory arrest.
• The Vietnam conflict: Poor kids, disproportionately minorities, entirely male, were sent to the other side of the planet to fight a war that most Americans no longer agreed with. Tens of thousands of young men were dying. Not a handful.
• Censorship: All our media outlets were heavily censored to promote a vision of America that was Wonder Bread - White and Wholesome.
• Capitalism vs Socialism: Once again in US history, there was a strong push by the left for the abolishment of capitalism.
• The Generation Gap: This term was born in the 1960's. Ideological differences between the <30 and >30 demographics was polarized. Young people were hippies and old people were squares.

Pretending we are reliving the 1960's is absurd. Those who are marketing it to you know that, but due to their constant onslaught of propaganda you cannot see where the real conflict is. Those with power are legally bending your mind using social media to enhance their power and wealth at your expense, yes you are paying them to do it to you. There are so many people out there with poor critical thinking skills that it works amazingly well.

How easy is it to bend intelligent people's minds? Do you believe lemmings run over a cliff and commit mass suicide? Why? Because a large entertainment/media company told you it was true. That idea will never die. Most college professors believe it and they are in charge of training the next generation of professors.

In short: think for yourself. It’s still legal.

 

[banned-66611]

Pretending we are reliving the 1960's is absurd.

Yes it is, so why are you doing it? What an absurd straw man.

 

[ElectricIAC]

Yes it is, so why are you doing it? What an absurd straw man.

We had more implied rights then.

 

[FlatSix911]

Yes it is, so why are you doing it? What an absurd straw man.

Nonsense... get back to work.

 

[banned-66611]

I believe the most important takeaways from all this is that our media is a vile beast and that your average american is far too gullible which leads to the top one: An eye for an eye leads to a blind world.

The "lugenpresse" (lying media) as the Nazis called it.

 

[bkp_duke]

The "lugenpresse" (lying media) as the Nazis called it.

It's hard to call a 15 minute video that clearly show's people breaking into a store with the intent to clean it out as lying . . .

 

[banned-66611]

It's hard to call a 15 minute video that clearly show's people breaking into a store with the intent to clean it out as lying . . .

Criminals don't invalidate the issue they are protesting about.

The blame here is on the cops and on Trump. There needs to be an end to qualified immunity and reform of the police, otherwise the rule of law will keep breaking down.

It's disgusting that there is so much opposition to taking away cop's licence to murder and de-militarizing them.

Imagine white people were being murdered by cops and every time you went out to protest about it heavily armed cops turned up and started beating you, and then some shop got looted and sorry but now we can't stop killing white people because we have to deal with these crimes.

 

[bkp_duke]

Criminals don't invalidate the issue they are protesting about.

The blame here is on the cops and on Trump. There needs to be an end to qualified immunity and reform of the police, otherwise the rule of law will keep breaking down.

It's disgusting that there is so much opposition to taking away cop's licence to murder and de-militarizing them.

Imagine white people were being murdered by cops and every time you went out to protest about it heavily armed cops turned up and started beating you, and then some shop got looted and sorry but now we can't stop killing white people because we have to deal with these crimes.

And this argument is an oversimplification. Yes, cops should not have qualified immunity. If they do something wrong, they should be prosecuted, just like anyone else that commits a crime

But they should NOT be "demilitarized". Criminals have no problems getting their hands upon (almost always stolen) weapons, the cops need to be appropriately armed to deal with that threat.

And regarding your second point: I don't have to "imagine", white people ARE being murdered by cops as well (if you believe otherwise, you've drank the main-stream media Kool Aid too much):
People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2020 | Statista

The problem is, there is a double standard in this country, on so many levels. Society accepts that it's NOT ok to be racist, unless you are racist against white people. Racism against white people is socially accepted, and like ANY racism, that is not acceptable.

The problem with this double standard is that it breeds resentment, on both sides.

The ONLY solution is full equality, under the law, and enforced by the law, for all races.

Oh, and actual un-biased coverage by the media, but that's a pipe dream.

 

[bkp_duke]

Imagine white people were being murdered by cops and every time you went out to protest about it heavily armed cops turned up and started beating you, and then some shop got looted and sorry but now we can't stop killing white people because we have to deal with these crimes.

And thinking about this more . . . the few protesters I have seen killed ARE WHITE (anarchists specifically) - but not by cops, they we're killed by counter-protesters (we have it on both the far left and the far right, so you cannot even blame political ideology on this), not cops.

If you have data otherwise, please share, because I don't recall seeing non-white protesters killed in the most recent uprisings.

 

[Ostrichsak]

Criminals don't invalidate the issue they are protesting about.

The blame here is on the cops and on Trump. There needs to be an end to qualified immunity and reform of the police, otherwise the rule of law will keep breaking down.

It's disgusting that there is so much opposition to taking away cop's licence to murder and de-militarizing them.

Imagine white people were being murdered by cops and every time you went out to protest about it heavily armed cops turned up and started beating you, and then some shop got looted and sorry but now we can't stop killing white people because we have to deal with these crimes.

It's crazy how many of these I'm onboard with when you say that the police may have overstepped their boundaries right up until you play the race card. Then, I'm out.

Some people are just idiots or dickheads. It doesn't automatically make them a racist. I'm fed up with everything a white person does being labeled a hate crime & racism and everything a minority does is perfectly acceptable up to and including breaking obvious laws because.. you know... oppression. GTFO

 

[banned-66611]

But they should NOT be "demilitarized". Criminals have no problems getting their hands upon (almost always stolen) weapons, the cops need to be appropriately armed to deal with that threat.

In other countries there are special armed response units, but most police are either not armed or rarely use their weapons. The police in the US turn up to peaceful protests in military combat armour, with armoured vehicles, sonic weapons, water cannons, chemical weapons, smoke grenades etc.

And regarding your second point: I don't have to "imagine", white people ARE being murdered by cops as well (if you believe otherwise, you've drank the main-stream media Kool Aid too much):
People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2020 | Statista

Maybe I should have clarified "murdering white people disproportionately to the population and getting away with it". It should go without saying but apparently not.

Society accepts that it's NOT ok to be racist, unless you are racist against white people.

That's absolutely not true. It's a White Supremacist talking point, a myth they like to promote. Any criticism of white people or of systemic racism is anti-white racism, they claim. It's not, they are just using your discomfort at the realization that you might be part of this problem and your fear that equality might lessen your privilege to oppress black people.