Massive raid on retail. Stopped out weak hands and those who over leveraged.
If a person wanted to trim, they should have done so at 800.. not at 620.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Massive raid on retail. Stopped out weak hands and those who over leveraged.
If a person wanted to trim, they should have done so at 800.. not at 620.
This is what I'm talking about... from the Q4 Shareholder Deck:
Tesla Investor Relations
Our operating income improved in Q4 compared to the same period last year to $575M, resulting in a 5.4% operating margin. This profit level was reached while incurring SBC expense attributable to the 2018 CEO award of $267M in Q4, driven by an increase in our market capitalization and a new operational milestone becoming probable.
Positive impact from volume growth and regulatory credit revenue growth YoY was mainly offset by lower ASP (including price reduction of China-made Model 3 and price reductions of Model S and Model X before the introduction of updated models) but also by a series of notable items. These included a portion of Q4 SBC charges, vehicle warranty accruals, additional supply chain costs, Model S and Model X changeover costs and other items.
Edit: Replaced screen shot with text.
My question is, will the SBC expense decrease in Q1 or Q2 due to the recent SP drop?
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That may indeed have been the case. The low on 2/23 was $619.00, while the low today was $617.01. Both of those drew extremely heavy trading volume during the minutes surrounding the bottoms. Both occurred during steep opening hour dives followed by quick rebounds. Such a combination of events often signals that a period of significant decline has ended.
I don't think it matters. The market cap levels have already been unlocked through $550B. And even TSLA going to $0 wouldn't change that. (There are only the $600B and $650B milestones left to unlock, and the $600B level will likely be unlocked soon unless things drop a lot quickly.) So now it is the operational milestones that are holding back more tranches from vesting. (Which I don't think are really impacted by market cap.)
James Stephenson on Twitter: "Here's a graph showing the stock-based compensation expense for the 2018 CEO Performance Award. This is a non-cash expense excluded from non-GAAP earnings and will not exceed $2.283B over the 10-yr life of the compensation plan. 12 of 69 https://t.co/8Gndgwe8P3" / Twitter
Looks like it sets to decrease regardless this quarter and continue decreasing throughout 2021. So it will be a positive earnings trend from here on out.
Tweet 12 of 69 has the chart which really illustrates just how much Tesla's earnings have been impacted by Elon pay package the last 2 quarters.
MTL_HABS1909
Active Member
We’re still lagging behind macros so I’m not convinced that we’re out of the woods yet.
We went from being down 4X of the macros to essentially 1.5X.......but yeah I'd like to see a reversal of down 4X to up 4X of the macros to really get some confidence in these levels holding.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
(Not advice but) if you have enough cash for 100x$550 shares, purhaps consider selling a Put at that Strike price? Then you get you shares, or you get to keep the cash and the option premium.
Keep in mind, I have no idea what I'm talking about, so paging @Lycanthrope
Cheers!
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
Nickel down another 5% today. Where is all this gigafactory raw material shortage I keep hearing about?
Yeah - I saw the post calling a triple bottom, I just disagreed - I never saw it myself really. At any rate, I think these things only really become apparent in hindsight.
MTL_HABS1909
Active Member
Just did a very Tesla thing. I drove to the tip in my Model 3 to dump some rubble, and there was a really long queue. So I got the marketwatch screen up with the Tesla price and saw it dropping like a stone. I opened my broker app on the phone and funded it to the tune of £9000 (luckily I had my debit card with me as I was also going to pick up a keg of IPA from the local brewery). Anyway, still in the queue, I snapped up 20 shares @ $622. And then watched the price recover all the way home
These are crazy bargain basement prices for a company with such a future.
These are crazy bargain basement prices for a company with such a future.
Haha I know, as soon as I said that, it started massively underperforming. At the time of my post it was only down .20% verses the nasdaq being up .10%
That changed quickly
asburgers
Sell order in at $8008.5
(Not advice but) if you have enough cash for 100x$550 shares, purhaps consider selling a Put at that Strike price? Then you get you shares, or you get to keep the cash and the option premium.
Keep in mind, I have no idea what I'm talking about, so paging @Lycanthrope
Cheers!
Mar 19'21 $550P are around $12.50 right now with 91.5% IV/0.15 Delta/-$1.01 Theta. May not be a bad move actually if you have credit sitting around.
I have no idea how to do options/puts/calls(Not advice but) if you have enough cash for 100x$550 shares, purhaps consider selling a Put at that Strike price? Then you get you shares, or you get to keep the cash and the option premium.
Keep in mind, I have no idea what I'm talking about, so paging @Lycanthrope
Cheers!
I only know how to buy and HODL
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
No, the CEO comp package is based on the 30-day and 6-mth closing average sp. See my daily reports
Just did a very Tesla thing. I drove to the tip in my Model 3 to dump some rubble, and there was a really long queue. So I got the marketwatch screen up with the Tesla price and saw it dropping like a stone. I opened my broker app on the phone and funded it to the tune of £9000 (luckily I had my debit card with me as I was also going to pick up a keg of IPA from the local brewery). Anyway, still in the queue, I snapped up 20 shares @ $622. And then watched the price recover all the way home
These are crazy bargain basement prices for a company with such a future.
You need a Cybertruck, or at least an ICE car for rubbly dump runs.
My (formerly Daily Driver) Landy has done precisely two such trips since I bought my M3 mid-December.
asburgers
Sell order in at $8008.5
I have no idea how to do options/puts/calls
Might as well learn how to sell deep OTM covered calls for inflows if you are HODLing forever. It may give you comfort to know that you are practically selling lottery tickets to fools, but hedged by your shares.
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
Once past St. Paddy's day (my retirement day) I'll embark on learning more about options. From what I've been reading it has a steep learning curve due to all the myriad ways to play the game.I have no idea how to do options/puts/calls
As an alternative, or maybe a parallel, I've been studying Turtle Trading for a some time and feel it could offer another strategy to play with.
-0.8% is just noise imo. Market is in defensive mode pending Powell's speech. It's easy to see why TSLA would underperform when there's worries. As soon as fear dissipates, we'll rocket up.
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