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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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I sold 1 put contract of TSLA at $930 for 12/23. If it gets exercised, I sell the equivalent of ARKK, ARKW or ARKG to cover for that cost. I will repeat this until I am 100% TSLA
The way I do it.
I sold 1 put contract of TSLA at $930 for 12/23. If it gets exercised, I sell the equivalent of ARKK, ARKW or ARKG to cover for that cost. I will repeat this until I am 100% TSLA
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Doesn't ARK say they have at least a five year time horizon? I though a fundamental part of investing was to ride out the downturns, instead of panic selling. Is there now no hope that ARK 's strategy will work?
@Electroman
Maybe you are right and I should just wait.
There‘s some dry powder left I could put into TSLA anyway, I think there have been worse moments.
Maybe you are right and I should just wait.
There‘s some dry powder left I could put into TSLA anyway, I think there have been worse moments.
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StealthP3D
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I just bought two more batches, 925 and 927!
People are going to want to own this stock as soon as they learn Elon is done selling.
People are going to want to own this stock as soon as they learn Elon is done selling.
You could sell a Jan 930, get $75 and have a pretty nice entry at 855.. which is I think a good target overall. Or, keep the 75$ and play another round come Jan 2022
I think your bigger risk is in the next 5 trading days. Tomorrow for sure. I gotta say, when ppl are willing to pay ~+8.5% for an ATM PUT a month out from expiration, somethings gonna give hard and pretty soon. Selling into the close is well, I’ll have to look that one up in the book.
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Nah, I stick with the trusty 83K number @Krugerrand usually projects for each quarter.
Such expectation has never left me disappointed so far
LOL- Just read this and see my limit order at $923 was filled. I told everyone to keep me off the computer.
If we dive again Monday, I'll be picking up some dirt cheap spread options for Jan-May. Too many positive catalysts will be hitting soon from Elon's sales being done to two new factories starting to the likelihood 280-290k deliveries in Q4 and guidance of over 1.4m in 22 (street currently at 1.25m).
StealthP3D
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Being a good fund manager means you have market beating results. Not in any given year, but over the long haul.
Ark Invest has a great track record. A couple of years ago when my ARK had doubled and everyone was hot to jump in, I cautioned that, in the long run, a fund like this can't really expect over 15% average annual returns. There are still a lot of people out there that don't seem to understand this. Another factor is, with most of their funds focused on specific themes (like robotics, genomics, electronic banking, etc.), it must be expected that the year-to-year performance will fluctuate considerably more than more broad-based market funds. Fluctuations are not bad; it only means these are investments best suited for long time horizons (or even traders who think they can capitalize on the "slow-wave" fluctuations). If Ark funds can average 15% appreciation over many years, the compounded results will be fantastic!
I'm constantly surprised by how short some investor's time-horizons appear to be!
NYPD finally realized you need a Tesla to catch a Tesla ... the M3 pictured is for Highway Patrol ... they will also need to add a couple of PLAID MS
Wall Street Crooks might get to ride a Tesla after all
StealthP3D
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Quarterly results generally cause the stock to rally, it's just a delayed action as it takes time for the numbers to sink into people's thick skulls.
People need time to process what the numbers mean (in the longer term) because they are not accustomed to assigning multiples to a company with results and opportunities as good and as large as Tesla's.If actual results didn't cause the stock to rally, we wouldn't be where we are today. We didn't get here on poor results brought about by poor execution.
mltv
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However, they have plenty of cash. (19.9bln) very long runway
The only important part of the Rivian earnings.....they'll be hundreds of vehicles short of their 1,200 goal for 2021. In fact they've only made roughly half of that - 652 vehicles.
Does that sound like a company that should have a 100 billion valuation? If you want that premium valuation you gotta have premium execution
Frankly, I don’t know if it’s a beat but if I were the CFO I would pretty much kitchen sink this quarter since everyone KNOWS there aren’t much if any revenues, profits, deliveries, etc and just make it all about future AMZN trucks and R1T deliveries and expect to have a more realistic rev/profit discussion in Q2’22.
woodisgood
Optimustic Pessimist
ARK has to be judged on a longer timescale. They gained a lot of popularity just before and during the pandemic, but the truth is disruption needs to play out over a very long while and for a moment folks started thinking ARK was going to perform spectacularly over the short-term. I also think many HFs or large institutions were losing fund clients to them, and in retaliation went after some of their holdings (ARK’s transparency in this regard makes them susceptible to shenanigans in the short term IMHO). This was also timed with media pieces that attempted to highlight Cathie’s religiosity, a possible shortcoming in the eyes of the demographic most attracted to ARK.
Sizable miss, but those numbers are not really the important piece. Their cash on hand is substantial and their financials will look terrible until they start volume production... and on that... They are now guiding a miss on their production (not even deliveries) for the year. Was 1200 and will be a 'few hundred' short of that.
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