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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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The Limiting Factor did a bit on charge time (pretty sure for 4680s, lots of caveats with it) that looked at the charge curve. If I recall correctly, it was looking at what the curve would look like on V3 chargers at 250kw. The assumptions were, even if there wasn’t a V3+ that’s capable of greater than 250kw charging, the new batteries might be able to handle a much higher average charge rate. Which could mean much faster charging times.
This is one of the customer facing features that I think may create a new inflection point in BEV adoption. The disinformation campaign that’s spinning up on twitter is cherry picking things that are technically true, like time to charge from 0-100% (hour plus) to try to paint BEVs in a bad light. Of course, there will be more new and creative disinfo, but it would be great to kill this argument once and for all.
So you are saying that Tesla is lying? The dotted line is clearly labeled as single tabbed and starts at zero for the 21 size... The 2170 size was optimized and maybe tabless doesn't matter for the speeds they charge at.
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Something to consider for TSLA trading in the week ahead:
"US says China will face repercussions if it grants Russias request for aid in supplying its war effort in Ukraine"
Potential economic sanctions against China from Western countries might become a topic this coming week, which would possibly be bad news for US companies that export goods, and/or export parts, and/or sell goods in China (Tesla, like many US companies, participate in all three of those activities).
"US says China will face repercussions if it grants Russias request for aid in supplying its war effort in Ukraine"
Potential economic sanctions against China from Western countries might become a topic this coming week, which would possibly be bad news for US companies that export goods, and/or export parts, and/or sell goods in China (Tesla, like many US companies, participate in all three of those activities).
I speak Chinese and have a decent understanding of their government, economy, and geopolitical goals. I don’t think we will sanction them even if they do supply arms to Russia ,but global powers are currently being reordered. Things are happening so fast that it’s really hard to keep up with.
An influential individual in Shanghai posted an analysis of the current situation and suggested it would be in china’s interests to side with the West. His analysis has since been suppressed in mainland China, but still an interesting piece of information, especially since he has the gall to post it at all.
Definitely something to be mindful of. Following closely.
RobDickinson
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China mostly makes the worlds manufactured goods.
Russia has nothing to pay for this stuff.
The 'west' has money and would riot if they couldnt get the latest iPhone.
Russia has nothing to pay for this stuff.
The 'west' has money and would riot if they couldnt get the latest iPhone.
RobDickinson
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Knightshade
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That simply is not so.
Russias top 3 exports were wheat, iron, and oil.
All of which China imports large amounts of.
In fact- China just lifted their quotas on how much Russian wheat they'll take for example-
China lifts all wheat-import restrictions on Russia amid Ukraine crisis
Newly announced agreement between China and Russia reflects deepening ties between Beijing and Moscow while addressing China’s need to enhance food security.
www.scmp.com
China getting bargain basement prices trading for Russian exports, because Russia can't sell trade them to anyone else, is a big win for China, and a potential major lifeline for Russia.
That said, this discussion really should go elsewhere.
RobDickinson
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Can I have your iPhone for 69 potatoes?
JusRelax
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Are you telling me I should be able to get a MX Plaid for 6969 potatoes? That's a good deal... gotta figure out the cheapest way to transport 6969 potatoes.
Yeah I got 2 or 3 in a box in my garage with other old electronic trash. 420 potatoes for all of them. Trust me, the math checks out on this deal.
dhanson865
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I'm not an engineer, but this analysis has been made:
"Calculated charging time from 10% to 80% with the 4680 pack was reduced from 25 minutes to 15 minutes.--- The estimated maximum charging rate increased from 250 kW with 2170 pack to 275 kW with the 4680 pack. The 275 kW charging rate holds constant from 10% to 50% state of charge where we begin to taper the charging rate."
Tesla Model 3 With 4680 Pack: Estimated Charging Time, Power, And Size
Tesla’s Battery Day presentation outlined big improvements in cost, energy, charging time, and pack size. Our estimates provide more details.insideevs.com
that's pure conjecture with "simulated" packs. You'll have to wait for real world data if you want a real answer. No telling how bad their made up math is.
Not a source and definitely not suggesting triple, but on a post talking about charge speed Musk said Model Y w/ 4680 is “Next Level” which suggests to me there will be a noticeable improvement.
Glad Elon is throwing a wet blanket on the stock. It's been going up too fast lately
Well it's not like investors are not pricing these things in. The entire market have been dropping due to inflationary pressures.
Anyways, HK and Shenzhen lockdowns isn't doing the Asian market any favor tomorrow..and there goes our green Nasdaq futures.
Head fake.
Not to be creepy, but pretty sure you still still have family over there? From what I know, the “lockdowns” in China since 2020 have been completely misreported.
Close friend was on the very first flight back to Shanghai that was quarantined…it was in April 2020.
Work continues in China.
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