Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[bkp_duke]

Would be of concern if true. My two minute search suggests it is not.

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NC sales tax 4.75, corporate rate 2.5 total 7.25
TN sales tax average 9.55%, corporate 6.5% total 16.05

Your case? Is it individual rates? Do corporations care? (note, still cheaper in NC)

Individual rates. I lived in NC for about 10 years, TX too for about 10 years, and (heaven help) CA now (happy wife happy life).

NC is not horrible, but it's not zero or near zero like TX and TN.

EDIT - but I could see Tesla putting a smaller facility, like a megapack-production facility, in NC to be close to the lithium deposits that they have a contract for in that state.

 

[hobbes]

Are the issues with not compatible charging ports locations solved? How? I'm still not convinced this is doing any good. I know I will be very pissed about Etrons blocking two charging stalls.

Just saw a report a week ago or so (sorry, couldn´t find it) that Tesla installed camera surveillance at an open-for-all supercharger in Norway with a sign pointing out they were using it to improve the service, so that might help in the long term. Not sure if they did that at other stations as well..

 

[Big Time]

said she's traveling' on the one after 909

 

[hobbes]

BMW #4 by brands What EVs do they have that are driving volumes? The bottom list confirms my confusion, ie no BMW listed or am I missing something?

One list is Jan-Mar accumulated, the other only Mar. Still doesn´t make sense so, Wuling is high in vehicle but not in brands..

 

[lascavarian]

CNBC is reporting WSJ reporting EM is discussing taking TWTR public after taking it private. This being said to co-investors.

 

[2daMoon]

Wow! What an exciting day it was, eh?


Hopefully, Jerome doesn't come out pitching curve balls tomorrow and we see some actual movement in a preferred direction.

 

[hobbes]

CNBC is reporting WSJ reporting EM is discussing taking TWTR public after taking it private. This being said to co-investors.

What would be the point? Asking for a friend...

 

[Big Time]

I just typed out these split possibilities per 100 shares. Wondering if you guys could help me determine at what levels that these valuations would become INSANE and where it might begin to surpass Google and Apple?

Thanks ahead of time.
-Big Time

Tesla Split Possibilities



2:1

200 Shares

Split @ $1,200 = $600 Per Share

Rises to $1,200 = $240,000

Rises to $2,000 = $400,000

Rises to $2,500 = $500,000

Rises to $3,000 = $600,000



5:1

500 Shares

Split @ 1,200 = $240 Per Share

Rises to $500 = $250,000

Rises to $700 = $350,000

Rises to $1,000 = $500,000

Rises to $1,200 = $600,000



10:1

1,000 Shares

Split @ 1,200 = $120 Per Share

Rises to $500 = $500,000

Rises to $700 = $700,000

Rises to $1,000 = $1,000,000

Rises to $1,200 = $1,200,000



15:1

1,500 Shares

Split @ 1,200 = $80 Per Share

Rises to $500 = $750,000

Rises to $700 = $1,050,000

Rises to $1,000 = $1,500,000

Rises to $1,200 = $1,800,000



20:1

2,000 Shares

Split @ 1,200 = $60 Per Share

Rises to $500 = $1,000,000

Rises to $700 = $1,400,000

Rises to $1,000 = $2,000,000

Rises to $1,200 = $2,400,000

 

[Ogre]

Wow! What an exciting day it was, eh?


Hopefully, Jerome doesn't come out pitching curve balls tomorrow and we see some actual movement in a preferred direction.

I’ll take boring days like today any time. We just need to get a bunch of boring days like this in a row. Wouldn’t even take too many… 45 boring days like this in a row we’d be at the ATH.

Yay boring.

 

[Tim S]

Just saw a report a week ago or so (sorry, couldn´t find it) that Tesla installed camera surveillance at an open-for-all supercharger in Norway with a sign pointing out they were using it to improve the service, so that might help in the long term. Not sure if they did that at other stations as well..

Here's that report...

Tesla adds cameras to non-Tesla Supercharger pilot station in Norway to monitor third-party EVs [Update]

Tesla has opened up their Supercharger network to owners of other electric vehicles (EVs) in several European countries, including Norway, the global leader when it comes to EV adoption. To help improve the experience of […]

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[Ogre]

I just typed out these split possibilities per 100 shares. Wondering if you guys could help me determine at what levels that these valuations would become INSANE and where it might begin to surpass Google and Apple?

Thanks ahead of time.
-Big Time

I know this topic gets beaten to death, but long term returns will have very little to do with the split ratio. Splits are more like a catalyst to unlock value in the short term.

Things get “INSANE” if/ when FSD & Robotaxi are fully realized. Until then they might drift into the absurd. If/ when Optimus is fully realized we drift into Plaid valuations.

Apple and Google are on their own paths Tesla will likely pass both, but hard to say when.

 

[lascavarian]

What would be the point? Asking for a friend...

My uneducated view would be that his VC crowd friends would like to have an exit point at the end of the tunnel. YMMV

 

[Ogre]

What would be the point? Asking for a friend...

As a private company Musk can do things in the short term with Twitter which would make shareholders very unhappy but makes the company stronger long term.

For example. Twitter goes private. All advertising staff are fired. All advertising revenue ends. Twitter has no revenue. Musk rebuilds the revenue model based on subscriptions and other ideas, makes the company profitable again under that new model. THEN makes it public again.

This would be almost impossible for a public company.

Making it public again gives the rest of the investors liquidity so they can cash in.

 

[Thumper]

I just typed out these split possibilities per 100 shares. Wondering if you guys could help me determine at what levels that these valuations would become INSANE and where it might begin to surpass Google and Apple?

Thanks ahead of time.
-Big Time

Tesla Split Possibilities



2:1

200 Shares

Split @ $1,200 = $600 Per Share

Rises to $1,200 = $240,000

Rises to $2,000 = $400,000

Rises to $2,500 = $500,000

Rises to $3,000 = $600,000



5:1

500 Shares

Split @ 1,200 = $240 Per Share

Rises to $500 = $250,000

Rises to $700 = $350,000

Rises to $1,000 = $500,000

Rises to $1,200 = $600,000



10:1

1,000 Shares

Split @ 1,200 = $120 Per Share

Rises to $500 = $500,000

Rises to $700 = $700,000

Rises to $1,000 = $1,000,000

Rises to $1,200 = $1,200,000



15:1

1,500 Shares

Split @ 1,200 = $80 Per Share

Rises to $500 = $750,000

Rises to $700 = $1,050,000

Rises to $1,000 = $1,500,000

Rises to $1,200 = $1,800,000



20:1

2,000 Shares

Split @ 1,200 = $60 Per Share

Rises to $500 = $1,000,000

Rises to $700 = $1,400,000

Rises to $1,000 = $2,000,000

Rises to $1,200 = $2,400,000

Well, yeah. But in reality I think it's closer to pizza than amoebas.

 

[Big Time]

I know this topic gets beaten to death, but long term returns will have very little to do with the split ratio. Splits are more like a catalyst to unlock value in the short term.

Things get “INSANE” if/ when FSD & Robotaxi are fully realized. Until then they might drift into the absurd. If/ when Optimus is fully realized we drift into Plaid valuations.

Apple and Google are on their own paths Tesla will likely pass both, but hard to say when.

Thx for input. Im not very knowledgeable on the current number of outstanding shares or if Elons/Others shares are included in that number. Im guessing that for each of those possibilities, wether its 10:1 or 20:1, that there would be an exact dollar amount that the share price would need to be if it would be to overtake Apple in market cap.

 

[Prunesquallor]

They will never give up.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521575733646270465

 

[Bet TSLA]

Yes, my son does work at Tesla, sorry if I that was not clear. The tangent of conflating climate change to payroll is amusing. Can you pay your mortage with incentive of "get fossil fuel cars of the road"? Can you feed your family with it? Or pay your doctor? Something.

Tesla pays sales people? I wouldn't think Elon would approve of wasting money on such unnecessary efforts. Delivery and logistics, sure. But sales?

 

[Prunesquallor]

“Apple has recruited Desi Ujkashevic, Ford’s Global Director, Global Automotive Safety Engineering Office to ramp up the development of Apple Car, according to a report from Bloomberg, citing people with knowledge of the matter.”

Apple hires a 31-year Ford Veteran to ramp up the upcoming Apple Car - EV

Written by Cláudio Afonso | [email protected] | LinkedIn | Twitter Apple has recruited Desi Ujkashevic, Ford's Global Director, Global Automotive Safety Engineering Office to ramp up the development of Apple Car, according to a report from Bloomberg, citing people with knowledge of the...

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Well played.

Edit: competition is coming
Edit 2: expect sp drop ah
Edit 3: /s

 

[Ogre]

Thx for input. Im not very knowledgeable on the current number of outstanding shares or if Elons/Others shares are included in that number. Im guessing that for each of those possibilities, wether its 10:1 or 20:1, that there would be an exact dollar amount that the share price would need to be if it would be to overtake Apple in market cap.

The split numbers are straight division.

Tesla = $942 billion market cap.
Apple = $2,697 billion

If Tesla doesn't split and Apple's market cap were frozen in time, Tesla would need to trade for $2602/ share to equal Apple's current market cap.

With a 10:1 split TSLA would need to trade at 260/ share; 20:1 at 130/ share; 50:1 at 52/ share; 100:1 at 26/ share.

Of course Apple won't trade sideways and Apple has a dividend so this all gets weird and sideways.

 

[Ogre]

Tesla pays sales people? I wouldn't think Elon would approve of wasting money on such unnecessary efforts. Delivery and logistics, sure. But sales?

Tesla pays people to be in their showrooms and talk to people about the cars. While they are not "Sales" people in the sense that they are paid on a commission, I would call them sales people.