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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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All tech stocks being lifted by NFLX and ADBE. Bodes well for TSLA.....big if of course
StealthP3D
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Plus, it wouldn't work. What is being suggested is illegal blackmail and Elon would have no other choice but to tell the blackmailers that he has a legal obligation to his Twitter shareholders and can't take Tesla into consideration. The Chinese government knows and understands this and wouldn't even try because it would discredit them badly.
Of all the things to worry about this one seems awfully unrealistic and contrived.
Artful Dodger
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JRP3
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*Edit: Photo is old, from 2019.
www.tesmanian.com
24 Tesla Semis Spotted at Giga Nevada, Possibly Preparing for First Deliveries
The first deliveries of the Tesla Semi are approaching and will take place in early December. 24 Semis were spotted at Giga Nevada, possibly in preparation for deliveries to customers.
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LOL.
China does this with entire COUNTRIES. Plenty of US politicians do the same to companies in terms of punishment (see De Santis vs Disney)
I have no doubt they wouldn’t hesitate to do it to one individual who put himself in such a position that he happened to own both one of the worlds largest social media platforms AND also had a large holding with a different company that has a substantial manufacturing base in China.
Doing this to Elon would be equivalent to doing this to the USA. They don't have that leverage and Musk would be required to immediately report this to the government because of, at minimum, his security clearance.
Pressuring current Twitter execs/employees, and paying them to do their bidding, would be easier than bending Musk's arm. It's pretty easy to come up with a reason for suspension, if you try hard enough. If you mean to think China would have the power to go so far as to try to get Musk to ban, say, a US govt official...you should just stop having opinions on this topic at all. I'm not trying you be rude, and I know you didn't say that.
The "LOL" does not help your case. It makes me more convinced you're thinking emotionally and are way out of your domain of expertise. Pressuring small, weak, corrupt countries is not at all on the same scale of what you're suggesting.
jkirkwood001
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Wait, something doesn't seem right. Are we sure those are Tesla Semis? Because if you expand the view of the posted Google Maps link, and look at nearby Giga Nevada's roof, it has hardly any solar panels. If I'm right, it suggests this is an old photo and those are standard ICE trucks. I'd love this to be true, but doubt it now.24 Tesla Semis Spotted at Giga Nevada, Possibly Preparing for First Deliveries
The first deliveries of the Tesla Semi are approaching and will take place in early December. 24 Semis were spotted at Giga Nevada, possibly in preparation for deliveries to customers.
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Giga Nevada last September (from video in a Teslerati article):
Interesting... sure looks like the old view from Google Maps. Oh Eva...
Edit: Just posted a comment on the Teslarati article pointing this out. We'll see if she replies.
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So….did you feint left and go to NYC, or feint right and head to Connecticut? Sly move, whichever one is right
(he’s probably in Delaware or Maine, I’m thinking)
He referenced US politicians in his second sentence and the post doesn't make sense if it's not the US. China can't punish a US company in the US, but the US certainly can.
I dont know what you are referring to as small, weak, corrupt countries - china exerts massive influence over all its trading partners. Even the USA doesn‘t fully recognize Taiwan as an independent country. Every country bows to China for access to its markets,, to different degrees. Any company operating their also do.
For example, there is a reason you never see Disney or Apple leadership directly criticize Beijing/China policies.
I will agree to disagree with anyone who doesn’t see this as an obvious pain point if Elon does in fact take ownership of Twitter.
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To clear up any confusion:
I think the following is the risk:
1. China asks Elon/Twitter to moderate posts/users in a certain way on a particular topic on twitters global platform.
2. Elon refuses (Just as Twitter would today).
3. In response, China make things “difficult“ for tesla operations in China in whatever way they wish.
There s no explicit linking of these two events (Elon refusing Chinese government twitter moderation requests & China government making things difficult for Tesla in China), but it will be obvious to both parties exactly what is happening.
Twitter today would not do anything that the China government asked. China has zero leverage over twitter.
That all changes the moment twitter is owned by Elon. At that point China has a very big stick to hit Elon with.
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JRP3
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@jkirkwood001 You're right that it's an older photo but I zoomed in all the way, looks to me like the sloping front of the Tesla Semi, but maybe I'm seeing what I want to see.
willow_hiller
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I fully understand what you're arguing and respectfully disagree as someone who has worked in topics very pertinent to this in particular. Elon does not criticize BJ/China. That does not mean he's beholden to them now or will be if he acquires Twitter. And it seems like you're lacking some critical points on US law and geopolitics re: all of this.
I can't prove I'm right, and don't claim to be able to see the future for certain. I just think this is highly unlikely and I do not find your arguments compelling.
It's easy to have opinions on messy subjects like this and it's one of the reasons investing in general is so difficult. China was actually the reason that I invested in TSLA years ago. I know their government and the Chinese language. China says they're switching to BEVs? That means the whole world is. Who is most likely to benefit? Tesla, was my bet.
Maybe you're confusing that level of influence on the world with blackmailing Musk. You're basically describing a situation that leads to a major international incident and thinking China doesn't consider that in their calculations. It would be very bad for them to try to blackmail Musk...
I think Musk already answered this. Free speech to the extend as it allows it by LAW. So free speech is illegal in China, Elon will respect that.
His beef is with social media platform developers censoring and banning people as they see fit in countries where the law permits such speech. His absolutist = he will be sure to not ban anyone unless the law is broken, not based on political/social bias/social warrior justices/woke people getting offended/etc.
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