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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Why is there so much hoopla about energy storage? Predicting what is going to happen is futile while all suppliers will be selling everything they can make for like a decade regardless of price. Energy is like an endless TAM. I don't even understand why anyone is predicting doom for Tesla energy when we are at like 0.0001% replacement during this transition.
The true competition is the cost of solar+storage vs current plants+natural gas.
The true competition is the cost of solar+storage vs current plants+natural gas.
JSML
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One thing is for certain, Tesla will not compete in a commoditised market. Look for Tesla to reinvent and integrate the power wall into a more complete eco system. Now, solar roof, grid and cars. In the mid term future, perhaps a home hvac. And in the far future, the Tesla bot.
I just wish Tesla markets the ecosystem further. When buying any Tesla, an option for their smallest PV panel should pop up asking if they want to add the option for 8k which provides energy for the car for life.
His investing isn't going to change any of that. Seems like a smart hedge to me.
Gray Man
∇x E = -∂B(t)/∂t
"Insanely low" is a matter of perspective. I'll take my $0.01/kWh Super Off-Peak, thankyouverymuch
Gray Man
∇x E = -∂B(t)/∂t
Might bother me if I had natural gas, but my house is all electric. If I had rates like you guys out there, I'd be in trouble.
EV charging stations alone will provide a lot of growth for the energy storage market. When you have a charging location with 20, 30, 50 stalls the energy demand gets very high very fast. On top of that you have the opportunity to fill the packs from during off-peak times. Some of the larger demand rates don't have as much differentiation for off vs on peak so that may or may not apply depending on the utility and tariff that the network is receiving, but then your total demand is greater so you save on that end.
Even the competition needs them.
Electrify America has now deployed Tesla Powerpacks at over 140 charging stations
Electrify America announced that it has now deployed over 30 MW of battery capacity using Tesla Powerpacks at over 140...
electrek.co
"Insanely low" is a matter of perspective. I'll take my $0.01/kWh Super Off-Peak, thankyouverymuch
That's crazy low! I thought my 4 cent super off peak was cheap.
On TOS it shows a volume 339,651 for 14:53 today. Glitch on someone's end?
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Try living in your mom's basement. 0 cents per kWh off or on peak!EV charging stations alone will provide a lot of growth for the energy storage market. When you have a charging location with 20, 30, 50 stalls the energy demand gets very high very fast. On top of that you have the opportunity to fill the packs from during off-peak times. Some of the larger demand rates don't have as much differentiation for off vs on peak so that may or may not apply depending on the utility and tariff that the network is receiving, but then your total demand is greater so you save on that end.
Even the competition needs them.
Electrify America has now deployed Tesla Powerpacks at over 140 charging stations
Electrify America announced that it has now deployed over 30 MW of battery capacity using Tesla Powerpacks at over 140...
That's crazy low! I thought my 4 cent super off peak was cheap.
mach-edriver
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That’d make no sense. The wash sale rule is needed to prevent investors from realizing losses for tax purposes without those investors taking real risk. E.g. a TSLA investor sells shares at a 50% loss then immediately buys them back.
Since losses within pension accounts do nothing to reduce tax exposure there would be no reason for the existence of the wash sale rule for them.
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If this market continues like this...
@Ogre and others, rather than employing the thumbs down, I'll reply: Some of our best posters over the years have written in depth and with an authority based on experience, as our friend Petit Bateau has. We are lucky to have him contributing to our forum. Your words "long winded" and "authoritative sounding" are uncollegial and dismissive. There is no reason to be so, and the tone you employ is not welcome on this forum.
I am not going to go back and look at all the post's, but there has been plenty of "uncollegial and dismissive" terms used by him as well.
This whole area of hedging is very interesting to speculate on.
My impression is, most investment funds, household names where a majority of the population have their retirement funds parked, have large amount of oil stocks as part of their portfolio. They may have sold off coal, and made a big song and dance about that, while not changing the amount they have invested in oil.
If they can't sell the oil portion of their portfolio down quickly, slowly investing in Tesla seems like a good hedge to me.
I'm also watching the Bernie Madoff documentary on Netflix and some parts of it are truly "mind boggling".
The only parallel conclusion I can draw is people don't seem to consider how sustainable things are when things seem to be going well. There is a tendency to assume the future is a re-run of the past.
JRP3
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It comes into play if you buy the same stock in a regular account and tax free account, you can't sell for a loss in one and buy under 30 days in the other trying to avoid the wash rule. At least that's my understanding.
Looks like big price reductions for 3 and Y in China.
JRP3
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So a $3800 reduction on the Model 3.
I found this also but it doesn't seem to include the 10,000 yuan offer on the end of year.
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