dgodfrey
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I want to know how you heated your home from a 110v plug? Does it not go below 60 in the winter in Virginia?
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Lottery winners are people who play the lottery, so self-select as people who make bad financial decisions.
Causalien
Prime 8 ball Oracle
By the way guys. You should pop over to SPCE.
Volatility of 180% with RSI of 93.
It's probably once in a lifetime opportunity to try train how to trade options in such an environment. While the potential loss from writing the wrong option and getting exercised is still low.
I executed some of the theoretical trades that I've been developing for such volatilities (vol > 100%) today and will see if they actually work.
Volatility of 180% with RSI of 93.
It's probably once in a lifetime opportunity to try train how to trade options in such an environment. While the potential loss from writing the wrong option and getting exercised is still low.
I executed some of the theoretical trades that I've been developing for such volatilities (vol > 100%) today and will see if they actually work.
Lottery winners and Tesla longs should be given mandatory financial management classes upon cashing out.
The stats on lotto winners are horrible. Your risk of death skyrockets like a December 2019 TSLA call purchased in June 2019. Most of it seems to come from friends and family. People don't handle jealousy very well. My family doesn't know what my investments are like. Pretty much only one childhood friend who is in my same economic bracket and who I trust knows my holdings and recent return history.
So I was thinking on the drive back to work from lunch "Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs need a way to collude on what price they are selling their shares without actually colluding". Then I thought, wait a minute, AJ's new price targets. Let's see, $500 & $1,200 averages to $850. And there you have it....
He has a KillaWatt connected in that picture. I'm very curious as to how many kw he was drawing. Can't be any more than 1500 watts, like a blow dryer.
Causalien
Prime 8 ball Oracle
Causalien
Prime 8 ball Oracle
LOL. Not straddles. I believe that's suicide at 180% vol.
An article mentions the low value of diesel lease returns as having knocked out Tiedtke. Maybe it has also hit Auto Wichert:
https://www.en24.news/A/2020/02/auto-wichert-reports-bankruptcy-1400-employees-in-concern.html
dgodfrey
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If I may stoke the semi-OT conversation about advertising, I see the same pattern of disruption there as Tesla causes with pretty much everything they do. Whether it's intentional or not, it just turns out that way. The advertising industry as we've known it is just as antiquated as we view ICEV's.
The whole argument of determining value of advertising was always nebulous. It's very difficult to accurately determine what the impact to the bottom line is due to advertising. 7th Avenue will tell you different but they haven't convinced Musk and they have an agenda and bias whereas Musk sees through the bu!!*sugar*.
As others have mentioned, the cost to try and curry favor from media is not only extremely expensive, there's a slim to none expectation it would actually do whats intended. Not only that but Tesla is somewhat insulated to the fabricated drama/FUD and seems to have developed a Teflon skin. Well earned and deserved I might add.
To be somewhat selfish, I would rather take the $3k per car advertising that GM spends and put it into the car or reduce the sell price by that amount since I already am Tesla aware. I don't need no stinking ads. Take my money.
The whole argument of determining value of advertising was always nebulous. It's very difficult to accurately determine what the impact to the bottom line is due to advertising. 7th Avenue will tell you different but they haven't convinced Musk and they have an agenda and bias whereas Musk sees through the bu!!*sugar*.
As others have mentioned, the cost to try and curry favor from media is not only extremely expensive, there's a slim to none expectation it would actually do whats intended. Not only that but Tesla is somewhat insulated to the fabricated drama/FUD and seems to have developed a Teflon skin. Well earned and deserved I might add.
To be somewhat selfish, I would rather take the $3k per car advertising that GM spends and put it into the car or reduce the sell price by that amount since I already am Tesla aware. I don't need no stinking ads. Take my money.
I'm a relative novice too
Just feels like the days of penny calls are over (unless it's something that expires in a day or two).
Premiums are high...feels dangerous to lose that much premium on something not very certain (OTM).
I've mostly played it safe as most of my options are 2022 bought back in Dec and then paid down the margin for 2022 calls with small plays in short term calls. If it didn't work out, I'd be paying it down slowly from the paycheck.
Thinking some 2022 calls could still be well profitable.
Like 6/22 400c-450c you only pay ~ $40/share from the current SP to get a 2x leverage.
I think it's a sort of safe play to say SP will go up by $40 in 2 years.
But this requires significant money and willingness to wait (the benefit of waiting is lower tax rate).
I'm not super positive about high strikes like 1300-1600. May or may not happen, high risk.
But the notion that you need to pay $100/share premium for a 6/2022 1600c is shocking to me as well.
Back in Dec I joined @SpaceCash in paying $22/share for a 1/2022 640c, so these new premiums are hard to swallow for something deep OTM.
And to add....they sell more cars than they currently have the capacity to make. Why advertise in those conditions?
JRP3
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It's not really "old school tech" just lower energy density tech. It has high cycle life and can have high C rates. I also considered the possibility of using it for their 12V battery, no sulfation issues, better charge efficiency, high cycle life, the only possible drawback is charging below freezing, but I believe there have been some advances in that area.
You're making so much money Karen you're going to be able to reforest all of Iceland. yet another positive feedback loop enabled by Tesla...
I see these batteries used in campers but so far you can’t charge them below freezing. I really hate leaf acid batteries as you don’t know how long they are going to last, my experience is anywhere from 2 to 6 Years depending on temperature etc. has to be a better solution!
Ameliorate
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I'm a relative novice too
Just feels like the days of penny calls are over (unless it's something that expires in a day or two).
Premiums are high...feels dangerous to lose that much premium on something not very certain (OTM).
I've mostly played it safe as most of my options are 2022 bought back in Dec and then paid down the margin for 2022 calls with small plays in short term calls. If it didn't work out, I'd be paying it down slowly from the paycheck.
Thinking some 2022 calls could still be well profitable.
Like 6/22 400c-450c you only pay ~ $40/share from the current SP to get a 2x leverage.
I think it's sort of a safe play to say SP will go up by $40 in 2 years.
But this requires significant money and willingness to wait (the benefit of waiting is lower tax rate).
I'm not super positive about high strikes like 1300-1600. May or may not happen, high risk.
But the notion that you need to pay $100/share premium for a 6/2022 1600c is shocking to me as well.
Back in Dec I joined @SpaceCash in paying $22/share for a 1/2022 640c, so these new premiums are hard to swallow for something deep OTM.
I don't quite understand why people aren't willing to believe that when a company is growing 40-50% YoY, the stock wouldn't follow suit to some degree. Artificially holding the price back while the company wasn't profitable was much easier than it will be now. Everybody should be able to understand the growing revenues and profits year over year and it's pretty hard to sell the "everything they touch loses money" ideology.
If the market hums along as it has been, I don't see 2000 as unrealistic at all by June 2022. Maybe 4-5,000+ if we win the autonomy race.
If you want to factor in a deep recession, that's almost a separate issue from Tesla, but should definitely be considered as a possibility.
We could hit 1600 after the S&P500 inclusion, after battery day gets us much higher. WAG but that's only this summer(most likely) and more of a product of a squeeze than true valuation. Look at what has happened with other large companies that were heavily shorted which then became profitable, they don't typically stay flat as they grow.
You can call them lottery tickets, but you gotta play to win
I sure did back at 200, the stock felt undervalued then but the outlook of the company was not nearly as bright as it is today. IMHO.(The actual lottery is for the mathematically impaired, don't do it!)
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I got the same offer
However, if you go into fine print, the amount that you can take is the inverse as to what the margin maintenance of said stock
So for TSLA, there is a 75% special margin maintenance so you can only take 25% from the line of credit.
Conversely, for AAPL, there is no special maintenance (the usual 30%) so you can take 70% of the offered line of credit
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