Wow, that was actually a respectful interview by CNBC
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Wow, that was actually a respectful interview by CNBC
While I find Tesla's phone tree to be mildly annoying, I've never truly had difficulty speaking with a live human being. My primary complaint is that, to ensure our issues get addressed, I usually find myself needing to follow up. I do agree that Tesla's overall communications are not befitting of a company that sells "premium" products. This is not a knock on Tesla's customer service staff; rather, it's a reflection of the chaos that seems to exist within parts of the company. I wouldn't go as far as to call Tesla's communications any sort of "disaster", however. At least Tesla's reps are generally pleasant, once you get them on the phone, and they seem to want to do right by their customers.
Carl Raymond
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The tide had to turn eventually as the knowledge base spreads wider. Gone are the days where they can spout any old BS and be believed. Each passing day the media has to be a bit more honest to maintain respect from increasingly savvy readers and viewers.
I believe 0% was for LRs, which will not be made in China. So, this sounded like Chinese made SRs was not enough and they wanted to grab some more from U.S. too. Which is a respectable goal when you want a clean air in the cities.
Artful Dodger
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ZachF
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The U.S. defense budget IS a subsidy to fossil fuels.
People say we get cheap oil from the Middle East, but what does it cost annually to keep the US Sixth Fleet on constant patrol in the Eastern Med? What does it cost for a single 'sabre-rattling' sortie of a Carrier Group into the Persian Gulf? How much of the R&D budget pays for weapons that will only ever be used to protect oil-soaked medieval autocracies?
Yeah, it's not listed as a budget item. Hint: it's like HALF of the U.S. GDP. Not the Federal Budget; the G.D. GDP.
How embarrassing.
While I agree with the US military being at least partially an oil subsidy, our military spending is not half of GDP, it's like 3-4% of GDP (~$700 billion):
Military expenditure (% of GDP) | Data
Nearly three years ago Tesla filed a federal lawsuit against Michigan officials for blocking the company's desire to directly sell and service its cars in the state. Does anyone have information on how this case is progressing?
OT.
The Truckla commercial is epic.
I did not intend to watch it, but after positive twitter responses watched the whole conversion video and then the ad - like 5 times.
Love it. Just so funny and creative!
You live with people from a certain eastern coastal province and the endless sounds of chainsaws and beavers flapping their tails and you're embarrassed by the US defense budget?The U.S. defense budget IS a subsidy to fossil fuels.
People say we get cheap oil from the Middle East, but what does it cost annually to keep the US Sixth Fleet on constant patrol in the Eastern Med? What does it cost for a single 'sabre-rattling' sortie of a Carrier Group into the Persian Gulf? How much of the R&D budget pays for weapons that will only ever be used to protect oil-soaked medieval autocracies?
Yeah, it's not listed as a budget item. Hint: it's like HALF of the U.S. GDP. Not the Federal Budget; the G.D. GDP.
How embarrassing.
They are a couple paywalled filings from last month, but they look procedural...
Docket for Tesla, Inc. v. Benson, 1:16-cv-01158 - CourtListener.com
JRP3
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He doesn't monitor the thread on a daily basis so often has to catch up. That's why we'll get bursts of neroden followed by silence. Over all the posting volume is not high.
Krugerrand
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gave you a thumbs down for the joke fail.
Gave you a thumbs down for not having a sense of humor.
Is there a normal for this type of case?
Last I saw, Tesla was supposed to get a bunch of communications between legislators and the dealer's association. The May 2 filing was for removal of deadline, so maybe that was delayed even more.
Perhaps Tesla is slow playing it to have a future demand lever and to reduce SG&A, if you can't be in a state, people can't blame you for not having good service/ delivery center coverage.
Super long shot, Tesla is looking at putting in a factory and doesn't want to stir the pot.
On the up side, Toledo is getting/ has a service center, so we've got that going for us.
Totally agree with @JRP3 : I believe most people feel that this thread is a 'catch all thread' and many times is hard to separate the 'wheat from the chaff'. I find that when Neroden posts I can often use his responses to get a summary of both and quickly weed out the important topics and the ones that just have little to no value.
I do not believe I am divulging any info that long timers don't know but I believe some medical issues keep him off the forum for days at a time periodically but he always finds time to read through all the 'chaff' for me and others and brings up much of the good posts made by others that he comments on.
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@Curt Renz : I just checked with a friend and former TMC poster about the trial/case. He says the 'wheels of justice' are moving slowly and the case has been moved from June 2019, then Sept 2019 and now to Feb 2020. ugh
Edit: He is a Michigan resident who actually helped Dairmuid with some fact finding
EVNow
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Hmmm … I said "likely" they have one dev branch. They could definitely have more than one branch, if they can manage the dependencies and retrofits. Doesn't change the basic idea.
Yes, who knows ?
It is likely (I definitely hope so) that the status in dev of various features is better than what we see in the hacked Tesla. It is possible that the hacked Tesla has code merged into main branch before the autonomy day on Apr 23rd, so ~ 3 months ago. How far has Tesla come in 3 months ?
On June 11th Musk said "not without any interventions". "Doesn't handle all intersections or turns". So, we can guess the state of City NOA quite well. My guess is it is still lower than the feature set or quality we see with Cruise/Waymo (which is how this conversation started). I'm definitely prepared to be surprised on the positive side, but won't be surprised if the quality/feature set is below what Waymo/Cruise has now, when Tesla releases the FC build to the fleet (except in one crucial way - Tesla's won't be so severely geo-fenced).
EVNow
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I don't think AP will recognize and stop for stop lights etc. That will be FSD only. So, this reasoning on why they have thrown in the code that includes the entire feature set shown on autonomy day into production code is not very persuasive.
Earlier you wrote a lot of reasons why they shouldn't release FSD code to the entire fleet. That's not the point - the point is they have released the full feature set we saw in demo. Why ?
Could be something to do with shadow mode. This is actually a compelling case, if they are really using shadow mode to teach the NN. Without putting out the actual code & full NN - how can they train ? Or it could be just convenience … whatever the reason, they saw it fit to put the full feature set they showed on the demo day in production.
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