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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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I hear ya, almost daily now (bullish FSD).
Multiple sources of this FSD resistance:
1. Competition.
2. Robot gonna turn on us!
3. Never cry wolf crowd...
4. But Elon said... It has to work everywhere.
I suspect we have all of these groups represented here. No wonder...
Knightshade
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Explain to me how you keep confusing SAE levels with local laws.
"regulatory approval" has nothing at all to do with a vehicle being L4 vs L5 as you suggested.
A car capable of driving anywhere a human can is L5. Even if not every where a human can legally allows that.
Further- such a car can be put on the road without any "regulatory approval" at all in a bunch of US states right now- and the fact there might be OTHER states it'd break the law to enter does not change the SAE Level of the system.
I am not talking about the car capabilities but the robotaxi service that requires regulatory approval. If Elon wants the service to be avaliable with all routes enabled with zero geo fencing, then it requires regularly approval.
Are you carrying fruit or nuts?
Knightshade
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Yes, but Elon has said- repeatedly- he expects RT to start with only some areas, not all. All is an end goal, not how rollout will begin.
And there's already a bunch of such areas they could be on the road TODAY if they had a functional, safe, RT- thus "waiting on the regulators" is not a reason there's no Tesla RTs on the road.
Tesla not having a system they trust as an RT yet is, and "the regulators" is not a barrier to changing that.
Both statement are true, Tesla's system is not good enough for RT, and go anywhere RT requires regulatory approval.
There's a lot of mixing of Robotaxi and FSD. They are obviously linked, but Robotaxi can obviously come before FSD is solved via a dedicated car that is geofenced. That is outside of the scope of solved FSD will work everywhere and doesn't need geofencing.
I said this in the V12 thread, but people confuse them because they assume Robotaxi will come to consumer vehicles. It's illogical to believe that would occur before Tesla owned Robotaxi vehicles.
I said this in the V12 thread, but people confuse them because they assume Robotaxi will come to consumer vehicles. It's illogical to believe that would occur before Tesla owned Robotaxi vehicles.
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
Toyota bZ4X driver forgets to shift to Park, EV ends up going for tragic swim
As the driver left the Toyota bZ4X, the all-electric crossover started rolling towards the water. Efforts to save the EV were unsuccessful.
www.teslarati.com
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Good news.... This is not possible in a Tesla. Door opens, you exit, it's in park automatically (as IIf only a wheel would have fallen off this loss could have been averted.Toyota bZ4X driver forgets to shift to Park, EV ends up going for tragic swim
As the driver left the Toyota bZ4X, the all-electric crossover started rolling towards the water. Efforts to save the EV were unsuccessful.
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
That was mentioned in the Teslarati article. Sort of turned it into a Tesla ad.
Anywhere else, somebody would have been fired for writing that.
GhostSkater
Member
A estimate made for a quarter in the last day of the quarter is completely useless, since by then we have had the numbers from many regions and factories published, so the estimation is just on the small portion of production and deliveries we don't know, which should multiply the error rate by 10x since you are predicting just a small portion remaining that is unknown
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It's not correct (the Teslarati article), but we get the point. I can drive with my door open (Seat belt and weight engaged, just did it). This is handy for getting unstuck or backing up with a better view.That was mentioned in the Teslarati article. Sort of turned it into a Tesla ad.
Anywhere else, somebody would have been fired for writing that.
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If supply meaningfully exceeds demand, you are demand limited. By meaningful I’d say 10%.
The model Y can be the best selling vehicle in the world and still be demand limited. I suspect most of the best selling vehicles in the world are demand limited from time to time.
dedicatedtek
Member
If only a wheel would have fallen off, this loss could have been averted.Toyota bZ4X driver forgets to shift to Park, EV ends up going for tragic swim
As the driver left the Toyota bZ4X, the all-electric crossover started rolling towards the water. Efforts to save the EV were unsuccessful.
just curious if the Park indicator was the wrong font or size..... asking for a friend.
The terms we should be using are supervised autonomy and full autonomy. Supervised obviously has a driver in the loop. Non-beta non-geofenced supervised autotomy is obviously a precursor to full autonomy. Until such a time as the SA product is compelling enough to have a significant take rate, talk of FA is pointless.
People just assume Tesla will provide full autonomy in private vehicles because Elon implied so. Elon says a lot of crap. My feeling is that it will be decades before you can go to sleep in the back of a private vehicle or not need to have a licensed driver in the vehicle. Full autonomy will likely only be available in the company owned, geofenced robotaxi fleet for a long time.
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Knightshade
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We really shouldn't though.
SAE already covers this in J3016.
If a human is required to drive, it's not autonomy at all because the human is still the driver- it's driver assistance-(one of 3 possible levels, L0, L1, or L2 depending on the level of assistance it gives the human driver)
if a human is not required to drive, it's autonomy- an autonomous driving system- ADS- (one of 3 possible levels, L3, L4, or L5 depending on other things)
Also the discussion either way really belongs here:
AI, Autopilot, & Autonomous/FSD
Discussion about AI, Tesla Bot, Tesla Autopilot (AP), the promise of Full Self Driving (FSD), as well as other Autonomous Vehicles.
teslamotorsclub.com
My guess is that it is because there are more people willing to buy than willing to sell on yesterday's price.
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