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Tevo Solutions

Local Vendor - The UK & Ireland
Dec 21, 2020
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Ive done a lot of track days and did some circuit racing (in a lotus Elise). IMHO £300+ on insurance is a bit on the high side, but I think it probably reflects the repair costs for something like a Tesla. When I was doing a lot of days, I used to get it included as unlimited track days on my normal insurance via a specialist for a few hundred extra. I think a number of other policies are available allowing something like 4 or 8 days for a little bit more - I am not sure if such polices are available on a Tesla.

I have never heard of insurance being included on the cost of a track day, it's an individuals decision on whether to insure or not.

TEVO: was that the official timer or one you made from the video?
One of our trackday group recently took out insurance for a day at Thruxton in his M3P and paid £194 on a £50k valuation with £2,850 excess through Moris.
I don't know why there should be such a difference between that quote and @Obliter8 but maybe it was the excess or driver age, history etc.?

Official timing isn't done on school days so I took it from the video.
 

Haydj

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Dec 29, 2020
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One of our trackday group recently took out insurance for a day at Thruxton in his M3P and paid £194 on a £50k valuation with £2,850 excess through Moris.
I don't know why there should be such a difference between that quote and @Obliter8 but maybe it was the excess or driver age, history etc.?

Official timing isn't done on school days so I took it from the video.
When I compared time derived off a video vs the actual times for a lap I found considerable differences. - please don't ask me why or how, its just what I found.

Good luck with this btw, I would like to try a Tesla on track (TOT), I can't with mine as its a lease and no can do. But I do hope to get the chance to re-live the glory days in something, but it won't be soon sadly.
 

Tevo Solutions

Local Vendor - The UK & Ireland
Dec 21, 2020
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When I compared time derived off a video vs the actual times for a lap I found considerable differences. - please don't ask me why or how, its just what I found.

Good luck with this btw, I would like to try a Tesla on track (TOT), I can't with mine as its a lease and no can do. But I do hope to get the chance to re-live the glory days in something, but it won't be soon sadly.
But the why or how is what makes all the difference. A lap of what? What was used to time the 'actual lap'? Where did you time the lap from/to on the video? All of this has a bearing on how accurate the timing is. At a hill climb the timing is done with a flag stuck on the front of the car crossing a light beam at the start and finish. That's not the same method as lap timing on a circuit or using video or GPS-based data logging, but they can all be accurate to a fraction of a second when done right.

It's a shame you don't want to take your Tesla on track. They make great track cars. ;)
 

Haydj

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Dec 29, 2020
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But the why or how is what makes all the difference. A lap of what? What was used to time the 'actual lap'? Where did you time the lap from/to on the video? All of this has a bearing on how accurate the timing is. At a hill climb the timing is done with a flag stuck on the front of the car crossing a light beam at the start and finish. That's not the same method as lap timing on a circuit or using video or GPS-based data logging, but they can all be accurate to a fraction of a second when done right.

It's a shame you don't want to take your Tesla on track. They make great track cars. ;)
I think I agree with you.

When circuit racing there is a transmitter on the car and its detected when you pass a fixed point, controlled by the circuit - this is very accurate. I have done sprints, which have a beam you break using a flat surface screwed to the front of the car, I presume there is similar on a hill climb and I have used GPS timing equipment with pre-set break points, which is also very accurate to the proper setup and utterly hopeless if not setup right.

When I have used video (on sprints and on track), I have found wide variation between the time I record on the video using video equipment and the tracks own timing equipment. As have others, however your results may vary, especially as the equipment we used is now massively out of date (Im talking early go pro's etc).

Oh I absolutely want to take my Tesla on track, but the lease won't let me :(. I think the best I'll get to do is to rent a caterham.

BTW, how to do the batteries last on trackdays and can you get enough energy into them from charging at the circuit? If I recall correctly there are commando sockets in the pit lanes, are they used? or do you use the 3 pin sockets.
 

Tevo Solutions

Local Vendor - The UK & Ireland
Dec 21, 2020
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UK
I think I agree with you.

When circuit racing there is a transmitter on the car and its detected when you pass a fixed point, controlled by the circuit - this is very accurate. I have done sprints, which have a beam you break using a flat surface screwed to the front of the car, I presume there is similar on a hill climb and I have used GPS timing equipment with pre-set break points, which is also very accurate to the proper setup and utterly hopeless if not setup right.

When I have used video (on sprints and on track), I have found wide variation between the time I record on the video using video equipment and the tracks own timing equipment. As have others, however your results may vary, especially as the equipment we used is now massively out of date (Im talking early go pro's etc).

Oh I absolutely want to take my Tesla on track, but the lease won't let me :(. I think the best I'll get to do is to rent a caterham.

BTW, how to do the batteries last on trackdays and can you get enough energy into them from charging at the circuit? If I recall correctly there are commando sockets in the pit lanes, are they used? or do you use the 3 pin sockets.
Video will be accurate down to whatever frame rate you use (often 1/30th of a second) but then it's up to you to pick the correct start frame and end frame and depending on where the camera is positioned in the car you may not be able to match where the transponder or timing beam is triggering it. To have a variation of more than 1/2 a second would be unusual. I developed one of the first computerised lap timing systems and several GPS-based lap timing solutions and my company specialised in onboard camera systems long before GoPro existed so I've got quite a bit of experience to draw on with all of this. ;)

As on the road, the number of laps you get on track depends on how you drive. At Brands Hatch Indy, a M3P can get 40 or so laps before recharging. There is 32A 3-phase socket in every garage there but that equates roughly to getting 1 lap back every 10 minutes of charging, so not ideal. Circuits such as Thruxton and Brands have Superchargers just down the road so we start with a full charge and 'fill up' at lunchtime. Eventually the circuits will embrace change and install fast charging in the pits, but we're a way away from that yet. The Llandow day is all about raising awareness so the doubters will see that it's possible to fill a day with EVs and that's what we need to do in order to convince the larger circuits to invest in the future.
 

Obliter8

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@Tevo Solutions for reference, a standard quote from Moris, I am not young, have no motor convictions and years' no claims. Hence my surprise at the high numbers. As I said, it's a shame.

If your day is a success (and I'm sure it will be), I wonder if one day you might be able to negotiate money off insurance co's, by putting customers their way. As it stands, I feel like that financial bar is way too high for someone dipping their toes in the water. It certainly was for me. £200ish is what I was expecting.
 
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Tevo Solutions

Local Vendor - The UK & Ireland
Dec 21, 2020
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@Tevo Solutions for reference, a standard quote from Moris, I am not young, have no motor convictions and years' no claims. Hence my surprise at the high numbers. As I said, it's a shame.

If your day is a success (and I'm sure it will be), I wonder if one day you might be able to negotiate money off insurance co's, by putting customers their way. As it stands, I feel like that financial bar is way too high for someone dipping their toes in the water. It certainly was for me. £200ish is what I was expecting.
There really aren't any deals to be had like that as an organiser. Any insurance broker will assess risk on a case by case basis and the amount of business they might get from a few people on a track day just isn't enough of an incentive.

The majority of track day attendees don't bother with insurance. If you go to a properly organised track day, the driving will be monitored and anyone driving in a way which might be a risk to others will be sent home.

There's some degree of risk in everything we do and if you want to insure against every eventuality it inevitably costs money.
 

Tevo Solutions

Local Vendor - The UK & Ireland
Dec 21, 2020
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I did a few cool-down laps with mostly no brakes, track mode on, it gets you the most aggressive regen function, pretty good.

The track day was great :)
Glad you made it and had fun! We had a great mix of EVs on this first UK EV track day. Plenty of Teslas but we wanted to be inclusive and welcome our other EV friends and I think we got the balance just right.
:)
 
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Tevo Solutions

Local Vendor - The UK & Ireland
Dec 21, 2020
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Plenty of Teslas, but a few other BEVs too! Great to see Taycans and Audis mixing it with Model 3s. Needless to say, the Model 3s held their own ;)

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