Jigglypuff
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It's like having a car with a tiny fuel tank. Why be surprised? I'll tow around town, but that's it.
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If you drive just like the EPA test protocol you will get EPA numbers. But of course people don’t drive that way. This is well known. EPA numbers are not “real world” figures for gas cars either.However I was not aware that a Model Y Performance with an EPA range of 305 miles actually is 261 miles
When you post silly exaggerations you undermine your position.and apparently you guys are towing down hill at 12 mph on back roads and telling us all how great these vehicle are at towing
When you post silly exaggerations you undermine your position.
Again, in the past 3 1/2 years I’ve towed my 2,300 lb trailer thousands of miles quite comfortably. Yes, I’m towing with an X, but the Y can tow comfortably as well based on numerous reports. You have to be aware of the limitations, just as you have to be aware of EV limitations compared to gas cars when not towing.
I see you still haven’t responded to my previous post asking how I was spreading FUD by stating it takes 5 minutes to fill a gas tank and 30 minutes to, not even fully, charge a Tesla.That's being done on purpose.
Thanks for providing your experiences. MX had been around for years before MY existed and people have been towing with it all that time. Bjorn did that for years and had many videos with numbers and stats.
You act like these are the only 2 options. The vast majority of drivers have never towed anything in their lives. That doesn't mean that Tesla's don't make great non-towing vacation vehicles.Lets just be honest about where these EVs are. They are very nice cars for around town. They are not moderate distance haulers as some try to claim.
I personally wouldn't call it "FUD", but it feels like the wrong comparison. On a 600 mile trip, I don't care that it takes 30 minutes to charge vs 5 minutes at one stop. I do care that the EV actually takes closer to 3 stops of 20 minutes each to do that and twice that many if towing anything of significance. Cut that to one stop of 25 minutes, and its not even an issue. Give me 5 minute stops instead but keep me needing 6 of them and I'm still pretty annoyed at being forced to get off the interstate for them.I see you still haven’t responded to my previous post asking how I was spreading FUD by stating it takes 5 minutes to fill a gas tank and 30 minutes to, not even fully, charge a Tesla.
Well…we’re all waiting. Or do you just automatically attack people who say anything critical of Tesla?
It’s not FUD when it is a fact. All I said was it takes 5 minutes to refuel an ICE vehicle when towing. A Tesla takes significantly longer. That’s it.I personally wouldn't call it "FUD", but it feels like the wrong comparison. On a 600 mile trip, I don't care that it takes 30 minutes to charge vs 5 minutes at one stop. I do care that the EV actually takes closer to 3 stops of 20 minutes each to do that and twice that many if towing anything of significance. Cut that to one stop of 25 minutes, and its not even an issue. Give me 5 minute stops instead but keep me needing 6 of them and I'm still pretty annoyed at being forced to get off the interstate for them.
But why does it venture close to being FUD? Because this is what EV owners hear all the time about regular (non-towing) road trips. "I won't get one until I can stop for 5 minutes", when that doesn't match the way most of us actually road trip in gas cars either, at least for me (and really a lot of people that I see taking them).
So, no, its not FUD, but it rhymes.
I agree with those numbers. But here's why the numbers you stated might not matter (at least for us they don't)....it takes 5 minutes to fill a gas tank and 30 minutes to, not even fully, charge a Tesla...
Yes, there are a lot of Musketeers on the forum (although you seem to be more of a Musk-Rat) Seriously though, Numbers discussed, like charge times, should have been considered before we purchased. Comparisons on known charging data vs ICE cars to experienced owners after the fact is condescending. There's been plenty of towing range numbers, wh/mi, etc posted on Model Ys for over a year for potential buyers to consider. There are 2 large groups on Facebook alone dedicated to Tesla towing.It’s not FUD when it is a fact. All I said was it takes 5 minutes to refuel an ICE vehicle when towing. A Tesla takes significantly longer. That’s it.
Your use case for the vehicle is not going to be the same as everyone else. You only tow 20 miles to the lake? Great. A Tesla will work for you. Going on a cross country trip? You just added DAYS to your journey.
Again, these are facts. They shouldn’t be in dispute, but the Musketeers are the equivalent of Trumpers when it comes to EVs.
Ok that’s fair but it is marketed as an SUV .. so you should be able to tow a small trailer, throw on a roof rack, or a hitch rack. It’s got awd and decent ground clearance, but any sort of towing would diminish range well past what a normal SUV should be able to do. It’s very limited in those regards which is disappointing for anything deemed an SUVYou act like these are the only 2 options. The vast majority of drivers have never towed anything in their lives. That doesn't mean that Tesla's don't make great non-towing vacation vehicles.
@mark95476 - I see you chose not to respond to the conversation (because you don’t have a leg to stand on), and have instead decided to just downvote all my posts. Keep it up and you’re getting reported to the mods.I see you still haven’t responded to my previous post asking how I was spreading FUD by stating it takes 5 minutes to fill a gas tank and 30 minutes to, not even fully, charge a Tesla.
Well…we’re all waiting. Or do you just automatically attack people who say anything critical of Tesla?
Its range is already well below an ICE SUV, especially on the highway where the ICE has its best range. I'm not sure why it'd be surprising that its towing range would be even more below that.Ok that’s fair but it is marketed as an SUV .. so you should be able to tow a small trailer, throw on a roof rack, or a hitch rack. It’s got awd and decent ground clearance, but any sort of towing would diminish range well past what a normal SUV should be able to do. It’s very limited in those regards which is disappointing for anything deemed an SUV
ElectroCat, You have the exact rig I am planning to get. I have a F1713 on order (2023) and a long range model Y for(2022). I have used the SuperCharger app to figure out my charging options for trips going to Halifax and Vancouver with an expected range of 200km between charges. I found out that going to vancouver from Ottawa on the Can side was not an issue but on the US side, I had 1 leg that was over 250.Tow our Alto trailer with our Y, get 225km to 250km range depending on wind and hiils, easy to get to the next super charger, charge overnight in camp grounds, works for us on long trips.
Our Outback lost about 40% of its range therefore very close in range loss.
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It wouldn’t be surprising the tow range is about 100 miles ? Jeez. I’m surprised. And that was in summer towing 1000 lbs. in winter it will be 50 miles. Is that surprising? The epa range is 305, that’s not nothing. Sadly the true range is nowhere close to that.Its range is already well below an ICE SUV, especially on the highway where the ICE has its best range. I'm not sure why it'd be surprising that its towing range would be even more below that.
As far as campers go that is a pretty good setup aerodynamic wise. I'll bet you'd see a reasonable improvement pulling the gates. What's your current, current (wh/mi) ?I wonder how I could improve mileage and aero dynamics.
The gates are removable ... That could be a test.
Something to cover the wheel wells?
Ok that’s fair but it is marketed as an SUV .. so you should be able to tow a small trailer, throw on a roof rack, or a hitch rack. It’s got awd and decent ground clearance, but any sort of towing would diminish range well past what a normal SUV should be able to do. It’s very limited in those regards which is disappointing for anything deemed an SUV