Some of them, depending on their circumstances, may not be able to go private. Also, if the vote takes place after Q3 and FSD first features are released, the share price could be above $420 by then, which would increase the incentive to raise the price. So I'd say that is way more likely that the vote is yes, but I wouldn't say no is a 0.
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Some of them, depending on their circumstances, may not be able to go private. Also, if the vote takes place after Q3 and FSD first features are released, the share price could be above $420 by then, which would increase the incentive to raise the price. So I'd say that is way more likely that the vote is yes, but I wouldn't say no is a 0.
Would explain yesterday's high volume, low movement and slight short reduction.
'Smarter' shorts buying from 'less smart' shorts...
Only for those not transitioning to private Tesla. If the backers acquire now, the pool to buy out shrinks along with capital needed.
I think in the case of a CNBC they cover wall street. So they want the players of wall street to come on the show. There is a certain unwritten rule to not bite the hand that feeds you.
Not all reporters and analyst play that game I am sure. I do not usually watch TV so I can't speak to other shows. I was referring to that one clip were the regular host's...not the guest's .....were dismissive of positive views of Tesla.
Huh, I get 60 pages, but then again you put all the lunatics in "ignore"
Mods: maybe we can rename this thread to "2018 Shorty-Short FUD Discussion"
Don't know whether I'll be relieved or sad when Tesla is private, pushing back against this absolute Sh*t that gets spread gives life a certain meaning...
jhm
Well-Known Member
Interesting. So those shareholders most opposed to going private must mobilize to vote. A nay vote strong enough to halt the proposal will likely force a squeeze on the stock.
So get out the vote!
An interesting question is where did he get the money? He has a micro hedge fund that with Elon's go-private announcement just had its largest investment basically go to zero. Perhaps he got a cash infusion from another hedgie knowing that Mark would use it to short Tesla and of course yell it from the rooftops (we know that at least David Rocker -- a famous short hedge fund manager -- has said he invested $ in Spiegel's fund).
The hedge funds who have hundreds of millions or billiions in a Tesla short that is about to get wiped out need to cut their losses and get out. The best way to do that and minimize losses is by persuading dumber shorts to stay in for as long as possible and better yet short more, while at the same time raising fears among longs to get some of them to sell, which puts downward pressure on the price.
As Tesla provides more details and the deal moves along this strategy will be less and less effective.
Institutional Holders can, of course, if they wont..
Share price should be fair for sure, but that price is important for buyout investor, not for share holders who stay.
What are you, some kind of wise-guy? Coming here, with all your facts. Some folks around here don't like that kinda talk!
I probably will not go private, but I’m only selling my shares to Elon’s investor group at time of buyout, unless the shorts want to give me over $500 per share.
I don’t see how we don’t get to at least $420 just from the share recall for the vote.
That said, I won’t sell at $420 except in the official buyout, and I would think most longs would feel similarly, so I’m still struggling to figure out where the shorts are going to buy their shares for less than $420 unless they are buying right now.
I don’t see how we don’t get to at least $420 just from the share recall for the vote.
That said, I won’t sell at $420 except in the official buyout, and I would think most longs would feel similarly, so I’m still struggling to figure out where the shorts are going to buy their shares for less than $420 unless they are buying right now.
Runarbt
Active Member
Will that be trading on inside information?
It is public knowledge that he has funding secured, so maybe this is ok.. I guess so, but not quit sure.
Actually, the Journal is reporting that is not clear whether an enforcement investigation is or is not currently underway. Look at the paragraph immediately following the one you qouted:
"It couldn’t be learned on Wednesday whether the agency had opened a formal enforcement investigation. An SEC spokesman declined to comment. Tesla didn’t respond to a request for comment."
Ergo, your 'ergo' is not substantiated.
That's like saying, "It couldn't be learned on Tuesday whether Mueller had formally indicted president Trump". Maybe it will happen, maybe it won't. Really BAD reporting.
"Final price may go up a bit" - but this is only relevant to those selling-out or the shorts having to buy, right? For those of us that stay with $TSLAP, there will be a new valuation as of day 1, I suppose?
Anyone any ideas on that? I guess it's irrelevant anyway, the first buy/sell event will be all that matters.
Don TLR
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Why not keep at least one to have a foot in the Golden Door of privatization.
i don’t think so, but you can search occ site or even cboe site for
it’s likely due to regulations for individuals investing in private equity in US, even gene munster mentioned it in his story that curt renz posted.
BUT...let’s wait to see the filing, and take apart the offer prospectus.
All in all I think Tesla would have been just fine if it stayed public. It's a disappointment. IMO it's more for ease of life that Tesla leaders are doing it. They'll have less public stress to constantly counter attack FUD, Wall Street BS analysis etc. but fundamentally I don't think it changes a lot in terms of execution.
But that's just the way it is. On a 10 year period the outcome will likely be the same.
But that's just the way it is. On a 10 year period the outcome will likely be the same.
Will that be trading on inside information?
It is public knowledge that he has funding secured, so maybe this is ok.. I guess so, but not quit sure.
I'm not sure acquiring stock is insider trading.
It will be interesting to see if any new 13Ds (>5% ownership disclosures) come out in the next 10 days. That would reveal potential funding sources.
I agree in terms of execution (esp with no further cap raises) but every other aspect is impacted by short/ bear induced negativity and wall street induced near term profitability pressure.
Getting rid of the FUD machine will increase Tesla's credibility in the public eye.
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