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TSLA Market Action: 2018 Investor Roundtable

Discussion in 'TSLA Investor Discussions' started by AudubonB, Dec 30, 2017.

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  1. mongo

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    Right, you obvious want a one piece I beam with center pivot for cost savings. ;)

    Fifth wheels and goose neck attachments would prefer a solid rear frame, so would the semi style rear axle.
     
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    Are your curvy roads a highway?
    AP may never be able to perform as FSD due to less powerful chip and being unable to process a higher volume of data, which would lead to a better accuracy.
    So, AP is not necessarily indicative of what FSD can do.
     
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    Lycanthrope S3XY old dude

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    As I'm long with zero margin I feel it's easy hold in this market.
     
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  6. Todd Burch

    Todd Burch Voltage makes me tingle.

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    Sometimes I question Fred, especially with all the AI-related Autopilot stories they do. It should be obvious to him WHY they're doing this...it's so Tesla can validate the suggestions AP makes before they release the automatic lane changes.

    If there's good agreement between when the system suggests a change and the driver confirms it by actually making the change, then it helps confirm their model. If there are a lot of cases where the system suggests a change and the user ignores it, it invalidates their model.

    (This one's hard though. What if a lane change is valid, but the driver just decides to stay where he is? That would be a false negative).
     
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    I wish there were more station wagon offerings. It's be best of both worlds - the cargo room of an SUV, and the handling of a sedan. Hardly anyone truly needs an SUV. It's laughable to see so many driving around the city. Most will never go off road.
     
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    If there is an overall tech rebound from today's massive drop, it could help TSLA tomorrow... or there could be continuation to the massive tech sell off and a MMD on TSLA will trigger a "sell the news" event... in which case we could see 260's again.... speculation.
     
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    Full Moon today in conjunction with Uranus together in opposition to the Sun. This will quite soon pass. ;)
     
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    NSDQ futures leading us into the toilet. I said it last week you don’t want to see a break below 6800
     
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    But I highly doubt that any bear's intent here is enlighten us; my guess is that it's to instill fear, uncertainty and doubt. If one is seeking a bear's view, there are many places to find that; it's actually hard to avoid.
     
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  12. SW2Fiddler

    SW2Fiddler We Are Cognitive Dissidents

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    Imagine you can’t day trade, or even on a week or month time scale. Russell Rule prohibits you from closing a position at a profit in under 60, count ‘em, 60 days.
    Now does owning shares look like a strategy? There’s still the satisfaction of finding the good entry points...
     
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    Interesting..
    Ihor Dusaniwsky on Twitter

    Let's see .. $2.3bn in CB's convertible at almost $360 ... $TSLA stock price is $68 below conversion price .. I don't have a CB Delta Hedging black box like I did at M.S. but I'd say somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5-$2.0 billion depending on the greeks used (vol, gamma, etc)
     
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    Some of the other auto companies' cash flow is interesting reading:

    Daimler has had a cash flow of -€50 billion since 2011:
    Growth, Profitability, and Financial Ratios for Daimler AG (DDAIF) from Morningstar.com

    GM has burnt $35 billion in the last 3 years:
    Growth, Profitability, and Financial Ratios for General Motors Co (GM) from Morningstar.com

    Volkswagen has also had a cash flow of -€50 billion since 2011:
    Growth, Profitability, and Financial Ratios for Volkswagen AG (VW) from Morningstar.com

    BMW has had a cash flow of -€15 billion since 2013:
    Growth, Profitability, and Financial Ratios for Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (BMW) from Morningstar.com
     
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    Curt - don't you start - I get enough of that stuff at home...
    Maybe Elon is a werewolf - that might explain some of the tweets...
     
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    wow, NASDAQ is really taking a dump into the close...
     
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    Ah, but surely those are INVESTMENTS in ... oh I dunno, battery tech, fabs, BMS dev, cobolt-free chargers?
     
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    ~10 mins to TESLA TIME

    Is this a moment that we will all remember or have we missed something in our collective crystal balls?
     
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    Can someone translate this to English? :)
     
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    A few months ago Electrek went astray and started posting headlines that appeal to critics of the company. I no longer read that website. I get all my news from insideevs and cleantechnica. (and this site lol)

    IMO the headline should read "Tesla Autopilot update raises the bar and confirms industry dominance"

    Down to $289 before the close. Some weaklings are getting out while they think the going is good!
     
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