Nick61
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A slider control to adjust the auto wiper’s sensitivity would solve the problem.
Most other cars cars I’ve owned have had 3 or more sensitivity settings.
Most other cars cars I’ve owned have had 3 or more sensitivity settings.
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It would certainly help but I'm not sure it will completely solve the issue. I notice a big difference between daylight and night conditions for example which I never get in other vehicles so you might need two sensitivity settings.A slider control to adjust the auto wiper’s sensitivity would solve the problem.
Most other cars cars I’ve owned have had 3 or more sensitivity settings.
You know you still have a choice if you have not committed your next one to be a TeslaFWIW my take is that the wipers have got better this last few months at detecting rain. Unfortunately they are far too sensitive, and the scraping of rubber over dry glass offends my ears so I end up switching them off and giving a quick stalk press every few seconds.
Not cutting edge, but it works.
Regarding the comment from our friend in Cambridgeshire, I think we are all aware just how complex automatic driving is (I'm beginning to understand that the folks in Fremont are only just beginning to understand it, too) but I don't recall any vehicular advance that's been made in the past where potential buyers have not only had to pay years in advance to develop the system but have become unpaid - and possibly uninsured - guinea pigs for it!
FWIW my take is that the wipers have got better this last few months at detecting rain. Unfortunately they are far too sensitive, and the scraping of rubber over dry glass offends my ears so I end up switching them off and giving a quick stalk press every few seconds.
Not cutting edge, but it works.
Regarding the comment from our friend in Cambridgeshire, I think we are all aware just how complex automatic driving is (I'm beginning to understand that the folks in Fremont are only just beginning to understand it, too) but I don't recall any vehicular advance that's been made in the past where potential buyers have not only had to pay years in advance to develop the system but have become unpaid - and possibly uninsured - guinea pigs for it!
This is exactly what's happening with the FSD Beta in the US, drivers have to achieve a high 'Safety Score' and maintain that to be allowed to be part of the Beta. The Safety Score is determined from your last month of driving. People need to have pretty much avoided :-I'd guess that trying to develop a driving AI that's significantly better than a human using a vast swathe of data from a pool of drivers is inherently doomed. Considering that half those drivers are below average and Tesla aim to be 10x better then they really should only use the data from the top few percentiles - those with special advanced training. At the very least they should weed out all those whose cars record speeding, fast cornering, hard acceleration or hard braking and toss them from the pool.
Yes, I do - there's plenty of competition either here or coming soon but I'm of a "certain age" and can't see myself buying another car in this life.You know you still have a choice if you have not committed your next one to be a Tesla
I assumed, presumably erroneously, that AI would be making its determination of what to do and then 'learn' from the difference in it’s action and that of a human (safe) driver. or at least that would be my naive approach to teaching an AI.Realistically though, that's largely about Tesla maintaining safety for it's Beta and avoiding headlines from driving morons. The car isn't learning directly from your driving, the car has no learning capability. Tesla AP Team tell the cars the kind of sights and scenarios they are interested to collect and the cars provide them with clips. These are then reviewed by people and systems to label them to train the vision model to better know what it's seeing. The side of the AI that determines what it's going to do based on what it sees is different, and from what I recall isn't trained by people's actual driving, there is no need, it's easy to determine what is the right action to take.
I wouldn't put it quite as negatively as that, but the "easy" parts have largely been done and dusted (Motorways etc).I still think using a handful of cheapo web cams, exposed to the elements, is a flawed strategy for controlling a car at typical road speeds - even with a sufficiently developed AI computer model (which is also some way off). Bottom line, FSD is still a gimmick to impress friends, but with limited practical use.
If they could just do motorway/highway driving without the endless phantom braking and without needing to touch the wheel every 15 seconds then I'd be happy. City driving seems a long way off.I wouldn't put it quite as negatively as that, but the "easy" parts have largely been done and dusted (Motorways etc).
It may appear from the myriad videos of beta that city driving has also been solved, but most of them have little traffic and are (obviously) in the US with very different roads and traffic behaviour.
I think Tesla is coming up against an insuperable problem of trying to fit in with high traffic density environments with millions of humans who can negotiate with gestures and flashing lights and who can know when they have to get out of a situation. We do this sort of thing without even thinking but so-called AI is not up to it IMO. I would be surprised if FSD as we understand it is accomplished any time soon although I would like to be wrong.
I needed to back out of the overtake to turn off the indicator and take the call. Is there a workaround?
A traditional car will have a sensor for AC solar loading, one for auto lights, another for auto wipers etc. and each one controlled by a separate autonomous ECU made by a different OEM. Tesla's philosophy is to have a single system operating the vehicle, using as few sensors as possible for multiple tasks - making the whole vehicle software upgradable to do things that weren't envisaged when first designed.I don't think Tesla has any excuse for not having effective automatic headlights and wipers; the technology to do both is tried, tested and available off the shelf at a low price. The same applies to TACC or adaptive cruse control (using well established radar based systems would eliminate phantom braking almost entirely).
Agreed, but why not use the tried and tested sensors with a single operating system? I can't see why this should be too difficult for a company like Tesla, given the well known natures of the sensors concerned.A traditional car will have a sensor for AC solar loading, one for auto lights, another for auto wipers etc. and each one controlled by a separate autonomous ECU made by a different OEM. Tesla's philosophy is to have a single system operating the vehicle, using as few sensors as possible for multiple tasks - making the whole vehicle software upgradable to do things that weren't envisaged when first designed.
Because Tesla aren't interested in using products other than their own. They want to use their own AI to control every aspect of the car.Agreed, but why not use the tried and tested sensors with a single operating system? I can't see why this should be too difficult for a company like Tesla, given the well known natures of the sensors concerned.