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Value of 2012 Model S Signature P85 w/out working battery

j0esilly

Member
Mar 11, 2021
15
18
Florida
Looking at all options and trying to estimate what I could sell car for if I don’t replace the battery.

Car has 68,061 miles on it

What do you think?

Thanks in advance!
 

roblab

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Jul 15, 2008
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Angwin (Napa Valley) CA
I think the battery is the most important component of the car, and it will probably cost near $20K, unless someone can find a used one in a wrecked S. So it seems that the car would be worth around 10 grand without the battery. That's not much, but it's eight years old. When I sold my last Tesla, a 2015, Tesla valued it at $35K. Any car drops wildly in value as soon as it's driven off the lot. You might check with Tesla or with a Tesla salvage person on prices for a battery, new or used, because people in the market are going to want to know.

That's just my opinion. It's a place to start the conversation.
 

j0esilly

Member
Mar 11, 2021
15
18
Florida
I think the battery is the most important component of the car, and it will probably cost near $20K, unless someone can find a used one in a wrecked S. So it seems that the car would be worth around 10 grand without the battery. That's not much, but it's eight years old. When I sold my last Tesla, a 2015, Tesla valued it at $35K. Any car drops wildly in value as soon as it's driven off the lot. You might check with Tesla or with a Tesla salvage person on prices for a battery, new or used, because people in the market are going to want to know.

That's just my opinion. It's a place to start the conversation.
Per Tesla a remanufactured battery will cost me $15k and that is why I’m exploring other and all options
 
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David_Cary

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Dec 17, 2012
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I think $10k but people have suggested that $15k might be possible. The parts are reasonably expensive so there is a large salvage value. You could probably dismantle the car and get $15k over a year using ebay.
I personally wouldn't value a 2012 with a reman battery at $25k but it would depend on the warranty offered on the battery. I think I heard 4 years.
 
May 13, 2019
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Raleigh, NC
Unless something else goes then I’m sol. I was 2 months out of warranty and had been complaining of battery issues for 6 months+ and I was hoping Tesla did the right thing and did a goodwill replacement, but they won’t

That's very disheartening to hear, seems like they would especially if you have evidence of past battery problems documented with previous service orders or emails. If you do have the information documented then I would try one last 'Hail Mary play' and print out the documented previous issues and go in person to the service center and nicely explain the situation to the Service Manager and that you would really hope for some leniency on the warranty since you have previous documented issues before the warranty ran out and you would really dont want to see a part of Tesla's history scrapped to a junkyard because the price to repair you 2012 Signature edition is greater than is's market value (especially if you are the 1st owner).

If you have tried that or do try that and it didn't work then I would suggest an aftermarket replacement. There are a few members on the board who have shops that works on Tesla vehicles.
If you were to sell it with the battery removed, then I would unfortunately thing $10k is about all you would get as well. To see it with a non working battery I would think about $15k but don't quote me in that, I am just a random person on the internet.
 

j0esilly

Member
Mar 11, 2021
15
18
Florida
That's very disheartening to hear, seems like they would especially if you have evidence of past battery problems documented with previous service orders or emails. If you do have the information documented then I would try one last 'Hail Mary play' and print out the documented previous issues and go in person to the service center and nicely explain the situation to the Service Manager and that you would really hope for some leniency on the warranty since you have previous documented issues before the warranty ran out and you would really dont want to see a part of Tesla's history scrapped to a junkyard because the price to repair you 2012 Signature edition is greater than is's market value (especially if you are the 1st owner).

If you have tried that or do try that and it didn't work then I would suggest an aftermarket replacement. There are a few members on the board who have shops that works on Tesla vehicles.
If you were to sell it with the battery removed, then I would unfortunately thing $10k is about all you would get as well. To see it with a non working battery I would think about $15k but don't quote me in that, I am just a random person on the internet.
I’ve been speaking with the Service Manager at the WPB SC and he supposedly ran it up chain of command to Regional and higher and they are unwilling to do anything besides the $3k goodwill adjustment off the $15k remanufactured battery. Says my battery complaints and the battery needing to be replaced are 2 separate issues. After last update before my battery stopped charging past 45 miles I kept getting error maximum battery charge level reduced.
 

j0esilly

Member
Mar 11, 2021
15
18
Florida
Update:

after dealing with this for a few weeks now, I was told this morning that there are no new 85kw packs and my only choices for a new pack were a 75 (for $21k with same 4 yr/50k warranty) or a 100 (which would cost more and they would have to verify if it would even fit). Since my car is a 2012 I was told not many of the newer packs would fit.

Even though I feel like Tesla should have done more and I’ve been painted into a corner, which I absolutely hate... I told them to go ahead with the remanufactured 85kw pack replacement. They already ordered it and have it at the SC, they knew I didn’t have any other option, ugh!

I am going to request all previous service records and any diagnostics they will provide me, try and find a HV battery specialist to review and depending on findings try and recover some of the cost through legal means.
 

BigNick

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Dec 3, 2017
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Pennsylvania, USA
They have a new 1014116-00-A 350V 85kWh pack that might be a good option, unless that's been dropped in favor of the 1014116-00-B (350V 90kWh) pack?
Some people have gotten lucky and got those part numbers as new packs. Search the forums for those part numbers, there's at least one thread about it.
 
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May 13, 2019
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Update:

after dealing with this for a few weeks now, I was told this morning that there are no new 85kw packs and my only choices for a new pack were a 75 (for $21k with same 4 yr/50k warranty) or a 100 (which would cost more and they would have to verify if it would even fit). Since my car is a 2012 I was told not many of the newer packs would fit.

Even though I feel like Tesla should have done more and I’ve been painted into a corner, which I absolutely hate... I told them to go ahead with the remanufactured 85kw pack replacement. They already ordered it and have it at the SC, they knew I didn’t have any other option, ugh!

I am going to request all previous service records and any diagnostics they will provide me, try and find a HV battery specialist to review and depending on findings try and recover some of the cost through legal means.

Tough call, even though it doesnt have AP it would seem like a new car with a new 75 pack and MCU2 upgrade at the same time but that's a lot of $ to keep it on the road.

Thanks for the update though!
 

whitex

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Sep 30, 2015
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Seattle area, WA
i hope when i do need a new battery i can get a 100-140kw replacement battery on my 2018 75D for $15k.
It's already available. Included in the price of the battery replacement is a free replacement car too. For only $79,990 you get a brand new 100KW battery, free car with it. Better yet, you can get a very generous core charge credit for trading in your old battery (with the old car attached).
 

cookie99

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Mar 14, 2016
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California
It's already available. Included in the price of the battery replacement is a free replacement car too. For only $79,990 you get a brand new 100KW battery, free car with it. Better yet, you can get a very generous core charge credit for trading in your old battery (with the old car attached).

core charge is still too expensive, i wouldn't mind if i was given $60k for my core. until then, i'll wait till one day i can get a 100kw battery for $15k
 

David_Cary

Active Member
Dec 17, 2012
1,174
659
Cary, NC
Just so you know, charging at 35kw for an older battery is pretty normal in Tesla world. Mine charges at 40 now and used to do 100. Mine is just 6 years old and my battery is fine. Charging speed was decreased a while back for most older cars. That isn't a sign of impending failure.

I can't imagine a situation where legal means will help you.

I also don't think a 2012 with a refreshed 85 is worth $25k. You are only getting 4 years of 'warrantied life' on a car with no warranty on the rest of the car, no guarantee that you will charge faster than 35 kw. My buddy had a 2013 that I spent some time in. His car, at least, wasn't worth $25k today given the other options.

Also, given the quality of service lately, I wouldn't be overly confident they don't screw something else up while in there. And then claim they didn't and you would be on the hook for it. Something that shows up months later for instance.
 

BigNick

Disaffected Member
Dec 3, 2017
1,054
1,289
Pennsylvania, USA
Also, given the quality of service lately, I wouldn't be overly confident they don't screw something else up while in there. And then claim they didn't and you would be on the hook for it. Something that shows up months later for instance.
This has me nervous about either the MCU1 daughterboard recall work or paying for the Infotainment upgrade to MCU2 (plus radio.)
Either way, it's sort of like major vehicular surgery.
 

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