I have the trial. I quickly got 2 updates. But where is the 12.3.5 I think I've seen people talking about?
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My car is 2024 MS. 2024.3.15. What is AP 4? From Teslafi, as near as I can figure out, I am AP 4.Just a few people have 12.3.5 from firmware 2024.3.20.
It comes as Tesla matches the hardware it needs. Right now very few AP 4 cars have it.
Not at all unusual.I have a 2023 MS LR delivered very end of last year. I received 2024.3.15 with FSD 12.3.4 on Saturday, Apr 27. Then last evening on Apr 30 received 2024.3.25 which included FSD 12.3.6. Seems at least for my MS LR it skipped over FSD 12.3.5 and went straight from 4->6.
I just got it last night. Disappointed that it didn't include the hatch opening triggered by phone. Does MS normally eventually get what the other models do?I have a 2023 MS LR delivered very end of last year. I received 2024.3.15 with FSD 12.3.4 on Saturday, Apr 27. Then last evening on Apr 30 received 2024.3.25 which included FSD 12.3.6. Seems at least for my MS LR it skipped over FSD 12.3.5 and went straight from 4->6.
The hands-free trunk feature is in 2024.14.3, and only works in newer Model S/X cars and the Highland Model 3. Newer models typically get the same updates, but some features in those updates are only available on certain model configurations. The release notes on Not A Tesla App have those details: 2024.14.3 Official Tesla Release Notes - Software UpdatesI just got it last night. Disappointed that it didn't include the hatch opening triggered by phone. Does MS normally eventually get what the other models do?
EV Rider answered your question fully but I wanted to chime in with this adjacent comment.I just got it last night. Disappointed that it didn't include the hatch opening triggered by phone. Does MS normally eventually get what the other models do?
I learned early on, if it isn't broke, don't try to fix it. Medical doctors have a motto of; First, Do No Harm. It makes more sense if you understand, writing a computer program is very much like write a story for a book.I’m not as cautious about updates as SidetrackedSue, but I wanted to reinforce that you have to be selective about which updates you install, especially if you don’t already have FSD v12 but want it. Unlike most other features, the newest versions of FSD are not in the newest updates. Currently, the 2024.3.x builds have FSD v12, but the newer 2024.8.x builds have FSD v11, so if you already have 2024.8.x, holding off on installing updates might get you FSD v12 sooner, assuming you meet the FSD v12 hardware requirements.
There have been cases where an update breaks something, but that hasn’t happened much in my experience. To be safe, when you get offered a new update, see what people are saying about it here before deciding whether to install it. If the update is determined to be buggy, Tesla will sometimes recall it, which means it will disappear if you haven’t installed it yet.
The hands-free trunk feature is in 2024.14.3, and only works in newer Model S/X cars and the Highland Model 3. Newer models typically get the same updates, but some features in those updates are only available on certain model configurations. The release notes on Not A Tesla App have those details: 2024.14.3 Official Tesla Release Notes - Software Updates
Thanks for the elaborate description of programming, however, I wrote my first program in 1966 in a Physics class when the professor said "Here is a Schroedinger wave equation and here are the boundary conditions so go solve it on a computer." So we all learned Fortran and ran punch cards through our IBM mainframe computer to get our results. Over my career as a programmer, I've written a few programs that were 150,000+ lines of code. I don't recall having coded anything where an update broke something. I always tested PLUS we had a person that would run regression testing on the code. But I know what you are talking about.I learned early on, if it isn't broke, don't try to fix it. Medical doctors have a motto of; First, Do No Harm. It makes more sense if you understand, writing a computer program is very much like write a story for a book.
The story simply expresses what you want the computer to do and the language is like English or any other language, but one that the computer also understands. Each line of program code is like a sentence. All the lines of code form the computer program just like all the sentences form a mystery novel or any book.
The program(s) that form the 'book' named FSD have been written over quite a few years, by a bunch of different people, and according to Tesla have grown to 300,000 lines of code or sentences. That's a pretty thick book! And if you go in and make a minor change, like changing the color of the hat a character is wearing at one point, in a book 300,000 sentences long, it will almost surely affect several seemingly unrelated things off in some other part of the book. So the bigger it gets, the more risk there is in making any change at all. Management becomes very difficult. Added to the problem is that the program has to run in different models of cars that have hardware changes that make them require different responses to get the same action and the program has to keep track of which car it is running in and all those hardware differences.
This is why the NN written software being only 3,000 lines of code is such a big deal. Being 100 X smaller or only 1% as large and the manually human written program, not only makes it run much, much faster in the same computer, (in the car), there is so much less opportunity for interaction between sentences or lines of code - program management, defining, designing, writing, testing, deploying, distributing, modifying, editing, repairing, literally everything involving the program gets so much better, just because of the size reduction.
And do remember that only city driving has been moved to the small program. When the NN training is done on highway driving, they will get the A.I. computer to write the program for highway driving and that will go through the same kind of controlled releases and testing and fixing until it is ready for general distribution. There will surely be another series of bumps in the road along the way, but v12 certainly hints that highway driving should be truly remarkable in a few weeks or months when it moves to NN highway.
That reminds me of when I hired a programmer, (around 40 years ago), he was one of those folks who thought he was the smartest person on planet earth. His first day he started in writing a program and called me over to explain to me what he was doing. "This is the compiler that I use. It is so smart when it is compiling the program, if it finds an error, it shows on the screen like this example here, so you can correct it and then try compiling again." I told him, "Wow! That's really neat. Ron over here next to you has been using that same compiler for 4 years now, and I never knew the compiler showed errors." He was much more subdued after that.Thanks for the elaborate description of programming, however, I wrote my first program in 1966 in a Physics class when the professor said "Here is a Schroedinger wave equation and here are the boundary conditions so go solve it on a computer." So we all learned Fortran and ran punch cards through our IBM mainframe computer to get our results. Over my career as a programmer, I've written a few programs that were 150,000+ lines of code. I don't recall having coded anything where an update broke something. I always tested PLUS we had a person that would run regression testing on the code. But I know what you are talking about.
You actually can't. Although I can assure you, you won't get the 2024.8.x ones because, even though your car is apparently 'behind' in update numbers it is ahead in FSD numbers.I'm going to have to search the web for how the heck these update numbers work. I JUST got the 2024 MS in March. I think that is a "newer Model S/X". And yet, my Release Notes show 2024.3.25 with FSD v12.3.6. How are people getting up to 2024.14.3 or 2024.8.x? Were there a bunch of updates after I bought my car? I only saw 2 and applied them. And I recently paid for the FSD. Did that "back version" me?
How do I determine if I will eventually get these newer updates?
Have 2021 model S. Have version 2024.14.9. Purchased FSD. But some of the bells and whistles like hands free trunk don’t work for me. So not sure what is happening. These latest updates seem to be leaving the older models behind even though the year of the Tesla is not suppose to matter. I think it does now. Not sure how this will all washout. Guess will have to hide and watch. That’s what happens when programs and AI conflict. The firmware may not be compatible with updates going forward. So let’s hope we can upgrade the firmware without purchasing a new model. Haha that won’t happen.I'm going to have to search the web for how the heck these update numbers work. I JUST got the 2024 MS in March. I think that is a "newer Model S/X". And yet, my Release Notes show 2024.3.25 with FSD v12.3.6. How are people getting up to 2024.14.3 or 2024.8.x? Were there a bunch of updates after I bought my car? I only saw 2 and applied them. And I recently paid for the FSD. Did that "back version" me?
How do I determine if I will eventually get these newer updates?
First, older models have always been left behind. Tesla changes things when they want.These latest updates seem to be leaving the older models behind even though the year of the Tesla is not suppose to matter. I think it does now