As someone with a P100DL, hearing about Plaid was awesome. I planned on making an order for a Plaid Model X, but apparently they aren't making them. Anyone else disappointed about this?
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Completely 100% agree.I don't think Plaid would make sense on a >6k lbs SUV. Performance model is plenty fast already. The market for Plaid will be only a handful of buyers, and YouTubers. Don't think it'll make business sense to build one. Plaid S is more of a bragging rights car for Elon, and just to one-up Porsche mostly. Halo car to keep the branding and top crown, and media attention. Plaid X will not garner much attention after the release of Plaid S.
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I don't think Plaid would make sense on a >6k lbs SUV. ... Plaid X will not garner much attention after the release of Plaid S.
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Completely 100% agree.
I am not sure why coming out with the Cybertruck has anything to do with a "phase out" of the Model X. They are not competing in the same category and will not be built at the same factory. The Model X is a signature vehicle. Would be a mistake to discontinue - how would Space X get their astronauts to the launch pad?Nonsense. Cybertruck is coming in Plaid so size has nothing to do with it.
It looks more like they are going to phase out the Model X completely after Cybertruck.
If both Cybertruck and Model X came with Plaid options, I would choose Cybertruck only if it came with amphibious mode.
I am not sure why coming out with the Cybertruck has anything to do with a "phase out" of the Model X. They are not competing in the same category and will not be built at the same factory. The Model X is a signature vehicle. Would be a mistake to discontinue - how would Space X get their astronauts to the launch pad?
Well then I suspect you are happy they are coming out with the CT. And your words actually prove what I said - they do not really compete against each other. The CT will be built in Texas and the X in California. I have an X. I have no desire to have a CT. I believe there is room for both.I have never liked the X, and the CT has much more compelling options and value; real off-road capabilities, ground clearance, stainless, real cargo capacity, real towing capacity and it fits my lifestyle better.
Well then I suspect you are happy they are coming out with the CT. And your words actually prove what I said - they do not really compete against each other. The CT will be built in Texas and the X in California. I have an X. I have no desire to have a CT. I believe there is room for both.
The X was marketed as an SUV, not a minivan, my wife and I have owned 3 Model S's, looked at the X when it came out and neither one of us could stomach the "design".
I am sure the X is great for the older folks who have a need for the door open assist and higher seating position and those families with very small children. Once those kids hit their teens that thing would be too tight for our lifestyle, add in a dog, gear, bikes, coolers and friends or family members and you are over the ~1400 lb weight capacity and cubic out way before that with only 26 CF of space behind the 3rd row.
I never understood the market for the X, with the exception that for business owners you could get the Section 179 tax write off due to the 6768 GVWR and the Model S was ~ 3 lbs shy of the GVWR with the 3rd row seats ...dont ask me why I know.... snip*
That was actually one of the best comparisons that I have ever read. I was the former owner of a Passat Diesel Wagon, and now that you point out the obvious... its obvious, the X is more wagon like and less SUV like, but with the insane AMG performance.We have a W212 Mercedes E-class in the garage next to Model X. It's striking sitting nxt to the W212 how much Model X isn't much bigger than an E-class, in outside dimensions, with the suspension adjusted low obviously. This endears it to me in a great many ways, as until this car I was daily-driving a Tundra and generally can't stand tall-car dynamics. Yeah it's a little taller, and a little longer, and a bit wider too, but it's still just a slightly overgrown car; just slightly overgrown enough to be a 3-row. If I had to come up with a size comparison that best fits it, I'd say, imagine an E-class wagon with a little more headroom, a little more shoulder room, and the jump seats flipped to forward facing. Now imagine the doors are the stupidest thing you can possibly think of. No, stupider than that. No no, you're still thinking of regular doors, imagine Rube Goldberg did some acid after being asked to design some car doors that would cause a lot of head injuries.
For a lot of people, the conversation ends at "not enough seats for what we think we want the car to do" even though this thing is definitely not really meant to be a minivan, beacuse minivans are MUCH more practical and easy to use, it's the closest thing you can get to an AMG Wagon with 7 seats since they don't sell that rear-facing seat in the AMG's anymore. It packs AMG-like performance and 7 seats with room for crap into a smaller footprint than an S-class or 7-series. Not such a bad consolation prize, but NOT a pickup truck, NOT a big-box SUV like a Tahoe. It's really, IMO, more like a wagon in terms of space and size. Which is a Good Thing if you want a wagon, not so great if you want it to be a Tahoe or a GLS.
For me, CyberTruck (which I submitted a pre-order for!) is not yet a compelling package because I tow a big box trailer with the Tundra, and CT is probably going to need at least one 1.5-hour stop to charge even in top trim to get me and my trailer to any of my usual tow destinations. I'd rather just rent a gas pickup once a in a while than deal with pickup truck dimensions all the time in traffic and parking lots and my garage and etc. But I'm also very interested to see where it actually lands dimension-wise. If it's somewhere near the Rivian, but with a longer wheelbase and short rear overhang for towing stabliity, that's a pretty sweet sweet spot. The big manufacturers have overshot the sweet spot on size for pickup trucks, with Ranger and Colorado and Taco being almost as big as the old 1/2-tons used to be, and the 1/2-tons now so capable they can literally easily tow 800+ square feet of house around to campsites.
If Tesla goes closer to Rivian on size, I think it's even more likely Model X will end up on the cutting room floor and/or its replacement will end up being a LWB variant of Model Y
I never understood the market for the X,
I guess that pretty much sums it up. I'm not sure why you have such a difficulty allowing people to be different than you. Different people like different things! For me, I hope to have a model X and a cybertruck sitting right next to each other. They both have their uses, and I think I'd love them both.
Agreed. So someone doesn't like the X - don't buy one. But there is zero chance my wife would want a CT or the S or the Y or the 3. She likes her X. Now if it was for men I would buy the S and none of the others. Choice is a good thing.