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Last year we reserved a M3 Performance to be delivered to Portugal. This was a company decision based on several key factor like running costs, taxes and, this might seem atypical in some places, but we also factored in employee happiness in our decision process. The idea was to start with one and in the coming years, slowly extend to the rest of the company.

With all the rumble on the news about production, quality and “tweets”, we also discussed the risk of this purchase. Our conclusion, from talking with owners, Reddit, Clubs, forums, etc, was that there were recurring issues in the car (paint, gaps, etc) and in the delivery process, but none of them were functional and the most important message from everyone was that Tesla always took responsibility to make everything right and the customer happy.

I have to say that Tesla return policy also gave our management the peace of mind to invest the more than $80.000 the car costs around here, but the true risk mitigation was owner feedback on Tesla customer care and service. Where I work for more than 13 years, a big part of our success is the same service strategy: everyone knows that problems and incidents happen, what is important is how the company deals with them.

In late December we were finally able to make the configuration and place the order, arrival was estimated for the end of February/beginning of March. Between SMS, mails and phone calls, the delivery was scheduled and postponed more than 12 times, but we took delivery in the Prior Velho Delivery Center, Monday, 9th of April.

As expected, several issues were reported on delivery, ranging from lack of Type 2 cable, no spoiler, paint problems, gaps. Coming from other car brands, where much of this would be unacceptable, it’s strange to write that we all felt that the delivery chaos and reported car issues were perceived as “normal”. But nothing had prepared us for what we would discover in the next few days.

The first time we drove the car, from the Delivery Center to our HQ, the driver reported that he felt a bit nauseated. For those who wear prescription glasses, he explained it like the felling we get for a few days when we change prescriptions. We dismissed it as the excitement and maybe the effect of the usual acceleration runs everyone does when they get a new Tesla .

The problem persisted during the next few days, with 3 different people reporting the problem. The weekend came and I took the car for a longer trip on Sunday, decided to find out what was going on. Everything seemed normal in our underground parking but after a few moments outside, I started getting the same feeling, like motion sickness. After an hour driving, I had an headache. I stopped the car and while looking to the same outside objects, I tried changing my point of view from the driver seat. I was amazed to see that as I changed my point of view, the outside objects got slightly deformed: the problem had been discovered, the windshield was deformed right in front of the driver seat, causing the nausea and headaches.

After careful inspection, the ceiling glass was also bent out on the sides and the rear glass also had shape sifting problems on some areas. As Monday came, I immediately called Tesla to talk about the problem. I have never seen this kind of situation in my 20 years as a driver and because this was the last day of the return policy window, the operator asked me to immediately go to the Delivery Center.

The customer care on the Prior Velho Delivery Center was surreal, to say the least. There were no managers or coordinator available, one of the few people on site, a rookie delivery specialist tried reaching out to someone, but it seemed that no one was available or replied to his several phone calls. He then decided to inspect the car himself and after confirming the problem asked me not to return the car until someone from management reached us out and tried to find a solution together.

We were very uncomfortable with the total lack of management, on site or even on call, and the nervousness and disorientation of the few employees around was odd. Because of that, we only agreed to delay the return after the delivery specialist sent us an official email to prove we were on the Delivery Center, on that Monday afternoon.

The rest of Monday went by without any callback from the Delivery Center management, as did Tuesday. On Wednesday we insisted by mail and later that day we received a call from a private number, from the same specialist that inspected the car, saying that he still hadn’t be able to reach anyone. Late Thursday he called again, also from a private number, with a cryptic message: the answer was negative and that we should return the car on Monday because Easter holiday Friday.

We are completely stunned, is this Tesla customer care? We have a car that literally makes people sick and no one seems to bother. We will be returning an 80k product and management is no where to be seen. Throughout this week, no one except the rookie specialist tried to find a solution, and even him had difficulty reaching anyone for days. We didn’t receive any contacts from anyone with any kind of authority or responsibility in Tesla, if not to solve the problem, at least to apologize.

Let’s be clear, the car is superb, as an engineering company we understand and have the utmost respect for the complexity of the product Tesla created in such a short time and with such an impact on everyone’s life. In the end, we will return the car because we can’t be dependent on a company where management disappears and deals with problems in a completely irresponsible way. The trust relationship is broken and there is no product on earth that can survive that.



How is your experience with Tesla Delivery Centers management when problems happen? Is our situation specific to Portugal? Is this the fall-out from the sales reorganization/firings? How do you scale these issues when the management layer is MIA and even the few employees seem afraid to do or say anything?
 
Remember this company is still a startup trying to expand geographically, expand production volume, and expand product line simultaneously, as well as something no other car company does: deliver continuous improvements to already delivered cars via software. Since day one, customer service has suffered from the fact that they’ve grown faster than their ability to implement mature processes, and an average employee tenure measured in weeks... particularly in new geographies. What you report with the glass is a rarity. I hate to say a one time defect without evidence, but I’ve never seen it reported by anyone else. So, it’s no surprise the staff did not know what to do except accept return. I hope you seek and they find you a replacement car quickly. Stick with it, it is worth it
 
Last year we reserved a M3 Performance to be delivered to Portugal. This was a company decision based on several key factor like running costs, taxes and, this might seem atypical in some places, but we also factored in employee happiness in our decision process. The idea was to start with one and in the coming years, slowly extend to the rest of the company.

With all the rumble on the news about production, quality and “tweets”, we also discussed the risk of this purchase. Our conclusion, from talking with owners, Reddit, Clubs, forums, etc, was that there were recurring issues in the car (paint, gaps, etc) and in the delivery process, but none of them were functional and the most important message from everyone was that Tesla always took responsibility to make everything right and the customer happy.

I have to say that Tesla return policy also gave our management the peace of mind to invest the more than $80.000 the car costs around here, but the true risk mitigation was owner feedback on Tesla customer care and service. Where I work for more than 13 years, a big part of our success is the same service strategy: everyone knows that problems and incidents happen, what is important is how the company deals with them.

In late December we were finally able to make the configuration and place the order, arrival was estimated for the end of February/beginning of March. Between SMS, mails and phone calls, the delivery was scheduled and postponed more than 12 times, but we took delivery in the Prior Velho Delivery Center, Monday, 9th of April.

As expected, several issues were reported on delivery, ranging from lack of Type 2 cable, no spoiler, paint problems, gaps. Coming from other car brands, where much of this would be unacceptable, it’s strange to write that we all felt that the delivery chaos and reported car issues were perceived as “normal”. But nothing had prepared us for what we would discover in the next few days.

The first time we drove the car, from the Delivery Center to our HQ, the driver reported that he felt a bit nauseated. For those who wear prescription glasses, he explained it like the felling we get for a few days when we change prescriptions. We dismissed it as the excitement and maybe the effect of the usual acceleration runs everyone does when they get a new Tesla .

The problem persisted during the next few days, with 3 different people reporting the problem. The weekend came and I took the car for a longer trip on Sunday, decided to find out what was going on. Everything seemed normal in our underground parking but after a few moments outside, I started getting the same feeling, like motion sickness. After an hour driving, I had an headache. I stopped the car and while looking to the same outside objects, I tried changing my point of view from the driver seat. I was amazed to see that as I changed my point of view, the outside objects got slightly deformed: the problem had been discovered, the windshield was deformed right in front of the driver seat, causing the nausea and headaches.

After careful inspection, the ceiling glass was also bent out on the sides and the rear glass also had shape sifting problems on some areas. As Monday came, I immediately called Tesla to talk about the problem. I have never seen this kind of situation in my 20 years as a driver and because this was the last day of the return policy window, the operator asked me to immediately go to the Delivery Center.

The customer care on the Prior Velho Delivery Center was surreal, to say the least. There were no managers or coordinator available, one of the few people on site, a rookie delivery specialist tried reaching out to someone, but it seemed that no one was available or replied to his several phone calls. He then decided to inspect the car himself and after confirming the problem asked me not to return the car until someone from management reached us out and tried to find a solution together.

We were very uncomfortable with the total lack of management, on site or even on call, and the nervousness and disorientation of the few employees around was odd. Because of that, we only agreed to delay the return after the delivery specialist sent us an official email to prove we were on the Delivery Center, on that Monday afternoon.

The rest of Monday went by without any callback from the Delivery Center management, as did Tuesday. On Wednesday we insisted by mail and later that day we received a call from a private number, from the same specialist that inspected the car, saying that he still hadn’t be able to reach anyone. Late Thursday he called again, also from a private number, with a cryptic message: the answer was negative and that we should return the car on Monday because Easter holiday Friday.

We are completely stunned, is this Tesla customer care? We have a car that literally makes people sick and no one seems to bother. We will be returning an 80k product and management is no where to be seen. Throughout this week, no one except the rookie specialist tried to find a solution, and even him had difficulty reaching anyone for days. We didn’t receive any contacts from anyone with any kind of authority or responsibility in Tesla, if not to solve the problem, at least to apologize.

Let’s be clear, the car is superb, as an engineering company we understand and have the utmost respect for the complexity of the product Tesla created in such a short time and with such an impact on everyone’s life. In the end, we will return the car because we can’t be dependent on a company where management disappears and deals with problems in a completely irresponsible way. The trust relationship is broken and there is no product on earth that can survive that.



How is your experience with Tesla Delivery Centers management when problems happen? Is our situation specific to Portugal? Is this the fall-out from the sales reorganization/firings? How do you scale these issues when the management layer is MIA and even the few employees seem afraid to do or say anything?
Is it still unclear what is causing the nausea? Perhaps it’s out gassing from the carpets or headliner. The new car smell, I have learned, is not good for humans. Same with indoor carpeting. Let us know.
 
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Did you read post? It was glass flaw!
I did read it Tomas. I’m just confused as to how a flaw in the glass causes nausea. I’ve never heard of anything like that. Just trying to be helpful. Is it some form of visual distortion? I’m surprised that your one windshield is deformed. I would have thought that others would have a similar issue. What was the build date? My delivery experience was not the best.
 
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I did read it Tomas. I’m just confused as to how a flaw in the glass causes nausea. I’ve never heard of anything like that. Just trying to be helpful.
Hopefully you never have to wear bifocals!

Those of us who do will understand this completely. If the glass is deformed it creates a lens effect distorting a portion of what you see. When you are moving, that is very disorienting and has symptoms like vertigo.

As I was first adapting to bifocals, I practically tripped over my own feet many times.
 
Hopefully you never have to wear bifocals!

Those of us who do will understand this completely. If the glass is deformed it creates a lens effect distorting a portion of what you see. When you are moving, that is very disorienting and has symptoms like vertigo.

As I was first adapting to bifocals, I practically tripped over my own feet many times.
I can relate Tomas. I have bifocals too. When I first got them and tried to play golf... well you know what happened. I’m wearing them as I write this.
I guess I’ve gotten used to them for reading. But for golf it’s hopeless. I truly hope you get your issues resolved with Tesla. It really sounds like you’re trying to get a resolution from the moon.
 
I also wear glasses and have similar issues with my windshield. To date Tesla has done nothing to fix it. On drives longer than an hour it starts to get really bad with headaches and motion sickness. Never had this experience with any other vehicle.

You made the right call by returning yours.
 
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Sorry to hear about your experience and windshield issue OP. And glass distortion can definitely cause problems like he was saying. The solution is a replacement windshield but given the time frame can understand a return. Probably faster to get a new car than windshield part at this point.

I seem to recall reading a while ago maybe on the MS forum about store hours and such in Portugal. Like only open certain days or hours. That was awhile ago. Sounded like not much presence established at the time. I did see there were a number of Model 3s delivered in Portugal so would be good to hear from more owners there. Also did see the impact of the truckers strike and long gas lines so EV owners were appreciating their batteries at that point.

I’m sure it’s pretty tough being a rather new car company in a new country and getting people trained etc. The Model 3 is new to all the European Tesla stores/service centers so I expect there will be some learning going on as to how to address some issues. Even our SvCs here had to get up to speed on the differences with the Model 3. I honestly haven’t read of a windshield issue like this one since joining the forum in early 2017 when we ordered our first Tesla. I think the windshields are outsourced by Tesla and they would replace it in this car but given your window for return I’d probably go that route. Since I don’t think it is likely to happen again and since the car is really great to drive, I’d probably ask for another car. I’m guessing Tesla is on par with other boutique type foreign car companies for parts and service in Portugal. Likely not as much of an issue in larger countries with a more established presence. Can be tough to be an early adopter in those cases. The car itself is fabulous to drive and I’ve had none of the issues you’ve had.

Let us know how it goes.
 
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I will keep you guys posted on how it goes Monday.

Regarding glasses, this is not related to glasses. The windshield deformation is seen without glasses and drivers without glasses still get the nausea after a bit. The deformation is not immediately apparent but the delivery specialist, when he took the car outside to test, got motion sickness in minutes not even hours.

Thanks all for the feedback and support! I also got a PM with some European contacts I should use to escalate the situation.
 
I will keep you guys posted on how it goes Monday.

Regarding glasses, this is not related to glasses. The windshield deformation is seen without glasses and drivers without glasses still get the nausea after a bit. The deformation is not immediately apparent but the delivery specialist, when he took the car outside to test, got motion sickness in minutes not even hours.

Thanks all for the feedback and support! I also got a PM with some European contacts I should use to escalate the situation.
We’re all rooting for you!
 
I will keep you guys posted on how it goes Monday.

Regarding glasses, this is not related to glasses. The windshield deformation is seen without glasses and drivers without glasses still get the nausea after a bit. The deformation is not immediately apparent but the delivery specialist, when he took the car outside to test, got motion sickness in minutes not even hours.

Thanks all for the feedback and support! I also got a PM with some European contacts I should use to escalate the situation.

Not much I was seeing in the way of Portugal but there is this thread that was started in the Community area for Europe. Might find some other owners near you there.

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So sorry to read of this atrocious customer service.

This is so easily fixed:

Tesla should give you a loaner for the short-term, and then offer you a short-list of replacement Model 3's for your selection, to try for a month. Assuming they are without defect, select one and hopefully replace your entire fleet with Model 3's.

On principle, your car, once repaired, should become part of the service loaner fleet for its remaining days . . . if only due to its poor karma.
 
Saint-Gobain makes the glass for Tesla, seems like a defect that could be resolved by replacing the windshield? They make OEM glass for several automakers, can't imagine this is anything but a defect.

I was going to say that this isn't a start-up problem. The glass is almost certainly made by an experienced supplier. And there you go!

That said, all glass will distort images where it bends. It is refraction, and how glasses work. But in the OP's case, it sounds as if there is some sort of thickness gradient or soemthing in the middle of the glass
 
The glass isn't a start up problem but I'd say it's probably so for the Telsa store there in how they handled an issue like this. I know every situation will be different but sounds like they've kind of left him hanging as to what to do. For something like this (as opposed to a small paint issue for example) I would think the manager of the location would personally be handling the matter. It's okay if you don't know the procedure immediately, but stay in contact with the customer. It may very well be that they've never had a windshield issue like this and not sure how to handle it. What irks people more I think is how they are treated or communicated with.
 
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