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On the negative side QQQ is up over 50% from that point. But that is just relative, in a vacuum it's good to see people are more prepared this time around.

You and me both! But I think it needs some more time to digest. At the very least there is very little risk of it rocketing back above 200. Elon is bringing out every pump he can think of, FSD trials before taking delivery, FSD $99 subs his desperate to shift the narrative away from selling...

So if Russia launches just 1 nuke at USA fully knowing that USA can easily shoot the thing out of the sky before it does any damage. Does that mean it was just a fire work demonstration?

Not financial advice, I was surprised by how well 166 held today but I do believe we have a hard resistance at 183 at least until earnings. Could be an easy covered call (or naked if you are feeling risky) play. I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm short going into earnings as a trade. I'll...

Wow I’m shocked that the stocks holding up so well. Enough buyers here for now. I sware if we had hit 420 maybe the stock would green now. But hey markets only been open 20 min lol.

You know what. I changed my mind. I’ll take a 3% short position on it. I know it’s not the usual put / calls we normally talk about but I don’t like going long puts due to theta. I believe that previous top at 183 will be hard resistance and limits max losses.

20k Lower than Troys numbers, 50k lower than the streets revised numbers, 100k lower than the streets numbers going into Q1. 200k lower than bulls who are smoking copium, jokes, light hearted jokes guys lol.

Obviously I got no idea what I'm talking about (semi srs lol) but I would like to think I was onto something here lol. They pumping FSD because the growth story of selling cars is dead this year with no way to bring it back. Of course this could all be priced in. Let's see how the trading goes...

387K Troy too high.

Look the guys obviously crazy. His also an uber driver and has no blue tick so he doesn't exactly have a huge amount of disposable income. He may have been right on the 185 and 175 call but you know he would be a billionaire if he was right on the 300 top, sold everything and leveraged his...

He may not care on Twitter such as his Hertz deal tweet, or stock price too high but there are other things he does that show he does care to a degree. The wave would never exist if he didn't care. He wouldn't do end of quarter incentives to push delivery numbers. Before he planned to sell he...

Oops can't edit it anymore. I just reread what I said, I meant relying on FSD Beta sales is meaningless. Obviously the real version of FSD is an end game goal but we are years away from that.

Agreed, this demand lever isn't even going to impact car sales. We might see its effects in the balance sheets in the next quarter or the one after, but relying on Full Self-Driving (FSD) sales is like banking on energy growth—it's not our main focus. FSD needs to be perfected, not just sold to...

I think they mean in regards to TA this is the bottom. Of course fundamentals always beat TA. If they sold 100k cars this quarter then no amount of TA is going to fix a crater in the stock. No analyst is expecting 410k. If his right the stock will go down lower IMO. I think we are in the...

China's numbers were disappointing this week, I also think the price increases are short term demand levers. Troy predicts weak deliveries for Q1, noting that inventory for Model Y is growing in the U.S. I haven't engaged in short selling or bought puts but I'm still severely underweight TSLA...

I'de also like to add my 2 cents, I would like to point out that I don't think interest rates are what halted the growth story. It was actually Elon, not primarily due to his social media presence (though it might have contributed), but rather his distractions that led to the delay of the more...

I also lean towards the bull trap perspective. Although I don't heavily analyze technicals, I think it's logical to consider the past events when the stock hit $100. At that time, everyone insisted that nothing fundamental about the company had changed and it was a good opportunity to "buy the...

Darn, I can see your problem then. I'm at 36 and I'm already frustrated, at 58 I would probably be looking at something with better returns and winding down. Yes I agree, I was also very tired of the drama. There are probably other companies out there that could get you some pretty decent...

If we are looking at P/E Ratios, back then it's P/E was 34 and it's Forward P/E was in the 20's. However Right now it's forward P/E is in the 50's.

I think we can probably anticipate a bounce soon. There has been considerable selling pressure, and sentiment appears to be low across the board. The question is whether it's worth deploying cash to capitalize on a potential 2-7% bounce, while also timing the exit correctly. Additionally, if...

I tried not to let emotions get the best of me while watching NVDA grow and TSLA trade flat. However, I realized that my reluctance to sell any TSLA, even at a profit to buy something else (I was invested only in TSLA and indexes at that time), was also driven by emotion (being too attached to a...

I did. I sold 90% of my long shares and have naked calls in my account. I also bought back any short puts I had. I've been selling from 260 and my last sale was just yesterday at 167. I made a post about it in the other thread a month or so ago and said the same thing Wells Fargo said. This year...

This may be getting priced in but it's forward P/E is still quite high. I don't see any new money coming in right now unless it's a trade. In which case a poor quarter will just drop this thing even more and traders get out and pile on the reverse direction and long term holders get given a...

I'm not sure what options you sold but I can only assume it was TSLA. Naked puts on TSLA or any stock that has a large concentration in your portfolio is never a good idea because your portfolio value is dropping as the stock drops. Conversely if you are selling naked calls, one would hope you...

This is what I do. I never liked the idea of spreads because it isn't within my own risk profile but what I really disliked about them was that you pay for "protection" if the price moves against you but you still feel like *sugar* in the aftermath. I sell very safe far OTM naked calls, the...

It’s 300 contracts. + means long an option - means short an option. His done a spread which means his short 930 strike puts and long 900 strike outs. Which means if it drops to say under 900 he loses $30 a share times 300 contracts times 100 shares. That’s max loss. Ide type more but on phone.

Yer I saw. Holy balls this is wild for you today.

Hope this works for you mate. Looking good! But be careful going forward max loss on this is like 40 times the premium.

Similar boat. Probably worse, short $1000 strike December calls on all my shares. FML lol. But as we learnt with TSLA, nothing goes up forever. I've been burnt flipping and trying to get greedy so I'll just be happy to take my gains at the end of the year. It'll be pretty boring if this thing...

That's actually a reflection on Tesla not Gary.

Lol this guy was talking about a buying opportunity yesterday and 20k + deliveries. I didn't believe him for a second. But it's good to see being wrong doesn't phase him.

I'm listening brother! I've been trimming shares around the $200 mark. Will probably get them back once a big enough correction occurs. Stocks going nowhere this year.

I’m specifically talking about 2024 which you yourself and Tesla have said will be a slow growth period. And comparing that to the “mature company” which has no problems growing 20%. Look like I said it’s not going to be a popular opinion. Everyone’s going to hang on things like cyber truck or...

Look we can only agree to disagree. But apart from price cuts ( and they have run out of those it seems ) I don’t see them having any plans over the next 12 months. The 25k car plans started too late and we are stuck in limbo until 2026. This is obviously going to be an unpopular take but when...

I meant TSLA as a company is pathetic at this current point in time (2024). You mention it's in growth mode but at this time (2024) it has no idea how much it plans on growing while Meta has no problems guiding 20% this year. TSLA can't even be confident it gets 20%. Metas FCF in half a year...

I believe what his trying to say is Meta is doing a lot better than TSLA so a buyback and dividends sound good. Where as Tesla can't do that. I'm pretty impressed with the FCF generation. Meta managed to generate in 2 quarters all of TSLA's cash on hand to date. They gave guidance of 20% growth...

With futures ripping and no one actually wanting to own TSLA stock right now, I think -200C and -185p should be fine. The MM's will decide where it closes now.

Probably like 10% growth of comparable previous quarter. They were already getting away with 30% and they knew no guidance would drop the stock price. So they obviously felt even 20% was something they could not publicly say.

Now do how many Tesla employees also work at other companies half the time.

Probably because we are running out of sellers. 3.5 years of no movement + 30% drop + no growth this year would make a lot of people quit.

Agreed

Well do you believe there is a material amount of share holders that only own TSLA because of Musk? Now do you think there are also a material amount of share holders with paper hands that will also sell out because the shorts will pile in and scare them? That's where your crash will come from.

Thanks mate! Found it. So he thinks that this week will establish how much higher we go. So I assume his covering himself if earnings are a beat for all mega caps, then we could bump up a little more but he thinks then we get a little profit taking or something along those lines. "air pocket" he...

Source for Tom Lee?

Hah I know. I was just joking around. I replied to one of his posts asking for the charts :P lol. I'm thinking he may just be upset at some of the doomers who were making a big deal at the time about the drama of Elon Musks compensation request. So he decided to take a break from it all...

Yer he told us to tell all our shares and wait for $80. This was when it was trading in the 220's.

That's just semantics though. I can also say its down 30% over a 3 year period.

Why bother? Did you want to compare their P/E ratios too? I'll compare TSLA's execution with legacy when TSLA trades at legacy ratios.

This is just copium, the stocks gone nowhere for 4 years. MM's can't manipulate a stock for 4 years, yes the chart is a mess but at the end of the day flat is flat. The company isn't even giving a sales target for 2024. MM's can't manipulate Tesla's yearly growth rate.

You can never call a movement before earnings a trap because there is always the risk of something like Elon saying we plan to grow 0% This year while we ramp. In which case no trap. And NVDA last year where they just blasted up 20% after a sick earnings even though it had gone up so much already.