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AP1 is good for what it is. And the fact that it doesn’t change is good thing in my book. Predictable and stable. I think the rest of these points are valid, but if you really want an S, get the S.

Bumping this thread now that winter is basically over - has anyone driven these in the snow? Looks like the snow ratings are meh on tire rack.

Any chance you'd sell the roof rack separately (is it OEM)? Beautiful car - GLWS.

It make sense that this configuration would fly below the radar for a while - there are a lot less cars on the road with it and “Highway Autopilot” works better on the highway where it is expected to. AP1 was a big plus for me when I bought my 2016 a few years ago. I hope the changes to it are...

They come staggered, but you might be able to find a square setup. 245/35 - 21 and 265/35 - 21.

This is why I bought the Arachnids honestly - they are really strong and don’t seem to mind the potholes. Also minimal hit to range.

Armor black Arachnids? They are forged, lightweight, and look awesome.

It sounds like you know this company well, so you probably already know that Tesla promises things it doesn’t know if it can deliver. FSD is the obvious example, but the Cybertruck specs are another recent one. Whether to get the refund depends on things only you know and can decide, but unless...

There’s been a lot of questions and activity on this topic the past few weeks. Few clear answers from what I can tell. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/057-technology.313708/page-12#post-7900482

I think this product is just really different. Battery failure makes owning a Model S not viable for many people. A few in this thread bought the car expecting to be covered by this plan in that event. Those people currently don’t know if they can afford the car they are driving. I...

Imagine paying for this battery warranty, thinking your are covered, and then having a failure right now. You are either paying 15k for a new battery yourself and suing to get reimbursed or not driving your car while this plays out. I agree with the earlier sentiment that there’s just no...

Just ordered the Blizzak LM-005s from tiresrack after watching several British “tyre” review videos. They are quiet and range seems good. No snow to test yet. Wear is my biggest concern.

It is pure marketing at this point. It takes some time to get used to the Tesla oversell (and the fanboy tendencies of some owners), but they are really good cars despite that. Odds are you will get a new battery and be good to go for a while. There’s enough of these on the road now to say...

I think anyone on this forum has done at least SOME research before buying. We have some very knowledgeable people on this forum that I suspect forget that not everyone follows the history of Tesla price drops and model changes. These happen in a way that’s different than any other car...

Not everyone wants to do a research project before they buy a car. That’s great that you can, but when people who don’t are surprised by something like that his and decide not to buy another Tesla nobody should be surprised by that. Capitalism works both ways after all.

The trend I’m seeing in this thread is expecting new Tesla buyers to know everything about the car and all the ways owning one is different that a typical car. As if it’s not Tesla’s problem at all to market and explain their products in a straightforward way. I don’t agree with that, and I...

I’ll second the earlier recommendation that you talk to a doctor - the dizziness sounds disruptive to your life and potentially dangerous. There’s lots of potential causes for dizziness - I had benign positional paroxysmal vertigo after a bad throw in BJJ (dislodged something in my inner ear)...

Did anyone drive with these in the snow? Considering running a set of these for my commute in New England. I don’t expect winter tire or CrossContact levels of grip but if they are decent in light snow that should work.

Having the dealership pay the upgrade cost to 75 kWh (assuming that is possible) and give you a few thousand on top of that for 75 vs 90 doesn’t sound bad, but I’d want to know what actually happened to this car before I did that. A 75D capped to 70 with software saying 60 and a 90D badge...

If I post a screenshot with a big circle around the 60 kW can we stop talking about this?

I never said it was it wasn’t a 60d. Just read the post next time.

And? It would be easy to look at the charge rate and confuse it with the battery capacity, since it happened to be 60 kW, especially if you aren’t used to reading it that display.

That may be, but 60 kW is a charge rate, not a battery capacity. Check the screen grab again: 210 mi/hr …+29 mi .... 60 kW

The “60 kW” you are showing in the screen capture is the charge rate, not the battery capacity. Once you charge and check how the capacity maps to range (switch between range and percent in your settings) you’ll know pretty quickly what you have.

I don’t think that’s fair. There’s a lot of space between wanting to pay off a 5 year car loan without going majorly underwater and expecting to make a profit from a car. The attitude here seems to be if you can afford a Plaid it must be fine, you can afford it, but none of us bought cheap...

I’m trying to figure out the math here - 1.5 years into a low-interest 5 year 150k loan would have a balance around 100k still? If your car optimistically is worth 70k now you’d be 30k underwater? That’s a rough base case. I know it’s a luxury car, but not everyone getting into Tesla for the...

My guess is people with FSD who have never driven an AP1 Tesla are voting for FSD.

@X-Care EV - is there a price adjustment for a Tesla under a Tesla ESA? Would a 2016 under ESA until 2024 need to purchase coverage this year to get battery coverage?

Great review. I was planning to replace my tires this fall the with Pirellis, and now I’m seeing Bridgestone has a new EV tire (Turanza EV). Has anyone bought these yet?

This is still the predominant use case for EVs in my opinion. Charge at home/charge and work. Level 2 95% of the time. The L3 charger is really most important for people who buy an EV as their only car or a larger/road tripping one. For first-time EV owners, it's the closest thing to a gas...

Going to pile on a bit here - I'd suggest range over FSD, all else being equal. FSD is a toy - there's almost no chance it reaches past level 2 in the time you will own this car. I bought my S for the same reasons you listed - always wanted one, felt like the right time when I bought (market...

Selling my Model S 21" grey turbines (for pre-refresh Model S). Comes with tires, but two of them are damaged, so pricing for just wheels. Local pickup only. Includes lugs, grey lug covers, and TPMS. Small curb rash on one wheel (picture below), otherwise very clean. These wheels look amazing...

I think there’s a lot that’s unclear about how this is all going to play out. There are two key reasons the supercharger network is so good - there’s enough of them, and they are reliable and easy to use. Tesla had an incentive to promote their closed charging ecosystem to sell cars. They now...

Mercedes just released a level 3 system. Tesla FSD, in the legal documents where it counts, is a level 2 system. The rest is just (dishonest, IMO) marketing. It’s premature to mention FSD and cruise/Waymo in the same breath. They currently are totally different approaches.

I’ve had a 2016 90D for two years and came from a Model 3. No major issues so far. The range is solid (better on the highway than the 3 thanks to similar aero and bigger battery) and the charging speed is good (slower but not too bad). I miss the handling of the 3 but the S is better in most...

Still available?

Where did you order them? Is that sale still available?

Price drop to 1650 OBO.

$1800 OBO. Local pick-up only. Selling 21” staggered wheel set with tires for pre-refresh Model S. Rear tires are very worn, so pricing for wheels only. Light rash on one wheel (pictures below), otherwise good condition. Includes TPMS, lugs, black covers.

Agreed. Tesla’s stock price depends on quantity of deliveries, not quality of service. It’s a cynical gambit but hard to see them changing course until they have to.

This is a big problem - there's no timeline. They can keep kicking the "better with software updates" can down the road forever. The fact that they can't replicate AP1 highway performance (which I have and love BTW) at this point doesn't bode well. As for the "humans can drive with eyes so...

I’m still on the old UI. Everything works. I’m happy with it.

One other factor to consider is software updates. If you want them, then MCU2. If you don’t (I’m in this camp) then stay with MCU1.

This isn’t that unusual, unfortunately. I’m on my second Tesla and both deliveries were delayed several times. If you don’t like the text/msg you setup, just be aware that service works this way too (and is also a pain in the ass to schedule). I hope everything works out.

If you are willing to put up with the low-ball offers and headaches, you’ll eventually be able to get KBB price. Really depends on whether that’s worth it to you.

My S just got rear-ended while we were sitting at a traffic light. Some visible damage to the bumper, but not too bad. Wondering if there is anything mechanical with the battery/drivetrain I need to worry about? Anyone have experience with something similar? Person who hit me wants to pay out...

I think it’s becoming increasing clear this is still a very long way off. Maybe Tesla genuinely thought they could do this at one point, but there is really no reason to think this is just a more data/bigger network problem anymore. Tesla should to own up to this, but I don’t think they are...

Selling a Rev. B adapter in the original box. Never used by me, bought it from someone who rarely if ever used it - perfect condition. Works for S/X. Firmware update (for the adapter) for 3/Y is discussed in other threads here. $400 plus shipping or local pickup in the Boston area.

I had my car to the SC over the summer for this same issue (2016.5 90D). My car started smelling like mold, and I eventually found water under the mats. SC told me it can have multiple causes. In my case, there was a crack in the AC assembly that was leaking water when the AC was run for long...

I’ve had both - currently have a 2016 90d AP1 and previously had a 2018 Model 3 RWD with base autopilot. The S is much nicer for highway/road trips. The 3 is more fun and nimble on back roads and easier to maneuver in the city. Current AP also works better on more roads than AP1, but AP1 works...