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I am waiting to see what the tires are going to be for Roadster 3.0 before I do anything with the current tires. Fortunately, she now drives a Model S and the Roadster is just for fun so I can wait.
I wanted to wait to change my tires until I knew what the new tires in the 3.0 upgrade would be. In the 3.0 upgrade topic I posted recently that I asked Tesla what the new tires would be, but as I expected, the people who answer emails said they don't know yet and my local service center doesn't know either. So I had to go ahead and replace my rears anyway.

Maybe in a year my rears will need replacing, and maybe the fronts, so at that time I can go to the new 3.0 tires.
 
FYI... Tire Rack has AD07's for a STEAL!!!
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Be careful when and how you have them shipped this time of year. If they drop below 14 deg F they will be damaged. Their warehouses are climate controlled but I don't know about the trucks and warehouses used for shipping.
Henry, what do you mean they can be damaged? Does that apply when they are filled and on the car as well? I've driven mine well into negative degrees. Did I damage them?
 
Henry, what do you mean they can be damaged? Does that apply when they are filled and on the car as well? I've driven mine well into negative degrees. Did I damage them?

They crack. It can range from tiny cracks that you can't see unless you look for them to larger cracks. It affects the performance and longevity of the tire. It can happen whether the tire is inflated or not. I got most of this information from a Yokohama rep as well as a Tire Rack technical specialist. He said he's seen tires that dropped to 0 F a couple of times and were not affected, as well as tires that went below 14 F for one night that cracked.

There are a couple Roadster owners here on TMC who have experienced this damage. They might want to weigh in.
 
Cracking is what happens to old rubber. Lots of things can do accelerate it. Temperature variation, sun exposure, etc. Tires just get cracked with age. And extreme cold would make those cracks happen sooner. When I got my Roadster it had ~7k miles on it but was ~5 years old, seems to have been kept ouside a lot in New Jersey, the tires had tons of tread depth but they were cracked, and when Tesla saw the car they recommended that I replace them immediately and even made me sign a waiver before they let me drive it away. I took it to America's Tire soon after since they're next to the Costa Mesa service center, have experience with the car and were offering much cheaper prices (~$800 for all 4 tires, about the same as TireRack at the time).

People think this is what happened to Paul Walker too. The car maybe hadn't been driven much and despite plenty of tread it had small cracks in the tires, which reduced their performance, and thus made the car go out of control at the wrong time. Add this to a car which is famously prone to snap oversteer (as is the case with MR cars....like the Roadster), high speed and trees on the outside of the turn and you've got a bad situation. I definitely had an easier time kicking the back out on those old tires....which I sort of miss, haha.

So yeah. Extreme cold and extreme hot will age your tires faster, and it could be that <14 degrees is a magic number that does instant damage to them (I wouldn't know, I'm from SoCal ;-)). If you daily drive the car it probably won't be much of an issue, since you're replacing the tires pretty quickly anyway, much faster than they can crack. But it's something to consider, and especially something to consider with "weekend cars" that don't see many miles and thus will have deep treads but old rubber. Tires probably shouldn't be on a car more than about 5 years in any circumstance, except maybe covered in a climate controlled garage with a humidifier in it and a guy who shines the tires with rubber treatments routinely or something, haha.
 
Cracking is what happens to old rubber. ...

...So yeah. Extreme cold and extreme hot will age your tires faster, and it could be that <14 degrees is a magic number that does instant damage to them ...

The AD07, AD08, Mich Super Sports, and many other extreme performance summer tires use a compound that cannot tolerate temperatures below a certain point without breaking down. Normal tires don't have this problem. As you pointed out, all tires have problems with age to some degree, but they generally don't break down at 14 deg F. It's a compromise by the manufacturer to get better grip and performance on dry pavement.
 
The AD07, AD08, Mich Super Sports, and many other extreme performance summer tires use a compound that cannot tolerate temperatures below a certain point without breaking down. Normal tires don't have this problem. As you pointed out, all tires have problems with age to some degree, but they generally don't break down at 14 deg F. It's a compromise by the manufacturer to get better grip and performance on dry pavement.


I have a Lotus Elise and it uses the same tires as the roadster. Just ordered them from Tire Rack and the label says to keep the tires above 14 degrees. No problem since I am in Florida and it never gets below 30 here. I too was waiting to see what the revised Tesla tires were going to be, but no one seems to know.

The Tire Rack sale is a good deal since the tires cost twice as much a few years ago. Someone heard that they are discontinuing these tires at Yokohama but I dont know if that is true or not. Does anyone know who makes the tires for the Model S. Seems likely that they would be the ones that they would use to make the new tires.
 
I have a Lotus Elise and it uses the same tires as the roadster. Just ordered them from Tire Rack and the label says to keep the tires above 14 degrees. No problem since I am in Florida and it never gets below 30 here. I too was waiting to see what the revised Tesla tires were going to be, but no one seems to know.

The Tire Rack sale is a good deal since the tires cost twice as much a few years ago. Someone heard that they are discontinuing these tires at Yokohama but I dont know if that is true or not. Does anyone know who makes the tires for the Model S. Seems likely that they would be the ones that they would use to make the new tires.

Welcome to the forum xxxotic! Most Model S are shipped OEM with Goodyear Eagles or Michelin Primacy which are all-season tires and probably not the new tires for the Roadster. The 1.5 Roadsters (vs the 2.0 and 2.5) are limited to only a few tire choices due to a very sensitive traction control system. It has a lot of torque. It's hard to speculate what the new tires are.

What are most Elise owners running on their cars? I went to visit a neighbor with one and he was on AD07s. Many of us feel quite limited by the front tire size. Most manufacturers are not making extreme performance LRR tires in that size.
 
I just put new tires on mine and tried a new combo that I haven't seen anyone else try yet. No warning lights due to tire sizes or anything. I have used these tires on my Porsche previously and loved them for summer driving.

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New shoe change. 4th set of Yoko's on the Roadster @ 60k. Ad07''s came in with 12.5k miles. The 3 AD08 tires (1st 08, 2nd&3rd 08R) are averaging at 15,800 miles.

I didn't balast my Roadster and it shows, for the Elise/Roadster if you're ballast, align the car, and get in & drive you're running your rear passenger tire more negative on camber. Will setup an appointment with my Wheel Works tire shop to re-align while the car's balasted with my personal weight on the drivers seat. Have to love lifetime alignments!

Below are pics of my worn tires. I commute 33 miles each way so I very much monitor my tires and can run them down this low. I went throught the last layer (2nd) of rubber and into the 1st layer of steel belts on the heavy sided part of the tire. Also ran the car through rains and it handled just fine. Went through streams of run-off water and the Roadster does fine, just keep tracking straight. The car is so heavy in the back that it keeps the rear planted. Just don't do stupid / unthinkable stuff and you're fine.

You know when you ran your tires down pretty good when the tire shop person goes, "WOW", when you pull the two wheels out of your car to bring into the tire shop.
 

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Ok, just got the tires back. One side the yellow dot was aligned properly with the valve stem. 6 weights same sized used. Other side had 8 weights and yellow dot was off from the valve stem b more than 1/4 a turn. I told the tire shop I had requested to align the yellow dots with the valve stems. They said it was hard since the yellow dot was on the backside of the tire. I said, just make a dot on the correct side please. They asked if I'd like it re-aligned, I said yes. Came back yellow dot on valve stem and 6 weights, so 2 less weights. I take my tires in and have them change the wheel / tire itself. So can have a closer eye on the work, plus I don't trust others jacking up my Roadster unless its Tesla or a shop I have trust with.
 
I bought a pair about a month ago. At that time they had 4 left. I gave my local tire shop a chance to beat the price just to be nice. They are a Yokohama dealer but were unable to find a pair anywhere in the country, not even direct from Yokohama. This is especially a problem for 1.5 owners but frankly even with tire learning nothing else fits the front of the 2.x very well either.
 
Tire rack had them listed as closeout. The A048's are still available in the 195/50-16 size. A buddy of mine just suggested some Dunlops that seem to be within the same rotations-per-mile spec. Luckily I just had new AD07's installed up front and they tend to last a while.
 
This totally sucks and leaves the 1.5 Roadster's in a bind. Well my next major upgrade definitely will be the custom Boze Wheels to get away from this mess of being stuck to one type of tire that's in an oddball size.

Discount Tires are also dried up on front/rear AD07's. Ebay is very slim pickings and who knows if that inventory is correct.
 
The stock grey wheels match the color of my Roadster well.

You can customize the Boze wheels to how you like them, color, dish, etc... I most likely will trailer my Roadster down to southern California to their shop to have the car sized up for the wheels, my goal is first to not comprise its current handling hopefully improving it and second the looks. Lastly, when moving to the 17" front / 18" rear I found the correct size that preserves the rotation ratio between the front/rear wheels, however the speedometer will be slightly off / read slower due to the taller rim size. Hopefully Tesla has some way to deal with recalibration, but most likely not without a firmware change.

This is the look, dish, and size I'm looking to have mine done in:

Who makes these wheels? - Found cool wheelset for Roadster

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Here's the Boze pattern I'm going for:

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This totally sucks and leaves the 1.5 Roadster's in a bind. Well my next major upgrade definitely will be the custom Boze Wheels to get away from this mess of being stuck to one type of tire that's in an oddball size.

Discount Tires are also dried up on front/rear AD07's. Ebay is very slim pickings and who knows if that inventory is correct.
At the shareholder meeting, when @sclasner asked if the rest of the 3.0 upgrade package items would be released, JB mentioned that Tesla was looking at more than one manufacturer for new tire choices for the Roadster. But he did not provide any details. ALl I can say is that I am hopeful that Tesla will give us more tire choices, including for the 1.5's, in the near future. I really do not want to have to buy new wheels for my 1.5 just to be able to get tires.