$2,500 for 1.0s improvement 0-60mph?

[whitex]

This question is aimed at the current 75/75D owners or reservation holders. Would you pay $2,500 for an upgrade to make your car 1 second faster from 0 to 60mph? Current reservation holders are facing that dilemma as they have an option to cancel and re-order their cars, but foregoing their initial deposit.

 

[Softblue]

Why should you forego your deposit? You went into contract with Tesla to get the latest and greatest, and then you don´t. I think Tesla should reorder free of charge.

 

[whitex]

Why should you forego your deposit? You went into contract with Tesla to get the latest and greatest, and then you don´t. I think Tesla should reorder free of charge.

No, you went into a contract to get whatever the specs were at time, that is what both parties agree on. If the price went up, I'm sure you'd be arguing to not pay the latest and greatest price.

 

[Softblue]

I disagree. The intention of the contract is to but a new car, not an old.

 

[whitex]

I disagree. The intention of the contract is to but a new car, not an old.

Then you must have signed a different contract than the rest of us. I bought 3 Tesla's so far, and each sales contract is for a specific car at specific price, not for what is the latest at the time of delivery. On one one my cars, the P85D, it came with the + suspension, but it was no longer available at the time of delivery. Tesla delivered as per contract, the + suspension, as they should. On another car we had Grey leather, also not available at the time of delivery, but they delivered it because that is what we ordered. Oh, and on one of the cars the price was $2K higher at delivery time, but no way would I pay more than what the contract says, nor did Tesla ask for, but according to your contract you would have had to pay the new price.

 

[Softblue]

Good to hear you have been happy with your experience so far. I dont think we´ll agree on this one. Let´s hear others opinions. And good luck with your poll.

 

[Mike K]

I disagree. The intention of the contract is to but a new car, not an old.

The intention of the contract is to enter into a purchase agreement for a specific vehicle. Since we don't know what we don't know and we don't know when Tesla is going to make changes or what those changes are going to be, one can only enter into a contract to purchase the vehicle in it's current iteration.

I bought a new iPad just a few days before Apple announced the new ones. Am I disappointed? A bit. Does Apple have some sort of obligation to supply me with the latest and greatest. No. I knew the specs of the iPad I was buying and I decided that that particular device was worth the money I was going to pay for it. That didn't suddenly change when they came out with something better.

People have to understand that there is always going to be something better. The car will constantly improve and if Tesla constantly told people what changes were just around the corner they wouldn't sell any cars.

 

[Garlan Garner]

I know this isn't a model 3 thread, but I would.

 

[mal_tsla]

Apple would definitely take back the iPad you bought a few days before the new one at no cost to you, and happily sell you the newer model instead. That's because Apple products are sold with a 14 day satisfaction guarantee.

The intention of the contract is to enter into a purchase agreement for a specific vehicle. Since we don't know what we don't know and we don't know when Tesla is going to make changes or what those changes are going to be, one can only enter into a contract to purchase the vehicle in it's current iteration.

I bought a new iPad just a few days before Apple announced the new ones. Am I disappointed? A bit. Does Apple have some sort of obligation to supply me with the latest and greatest. No. I knew the specs of the iPad I was buying and I decided that that particular device was worth the money I was going to pay for it. That didn't suddenly change when they came out with something better.

People have to understand that there is always going to be something better. The car will constantly improve and if Tesla constantly told people what changes were just around the corner they wouldn't sell any cars.

 

[SageBrush]

I'm mostly on WhiteX's side of this never-ending argument, but I'd feel better about it if the time from order to delivery was shorter.
Bottom line, Tesla is trying to improve the cars every day, and they push out the improvements as soon as they are ready. That is awesome.

The arguments that Tesla should hold on to improvements until a yearly (or later) refresh cycle are flawed in their reasoning:

• 1. Just because I missed an improvement does not justify screwing the next people in line. And of course the people complaining of the current system do not consider that they may have benefited and received improvements that would otherwise have been withheld.
• 2. The depreciation that can (at least theoretically) occur soon after purchase is only relevant for people who want to sale the car before the next refresh. Since that is unlikely to affect the lion's share of owners, there is little substance to the argument.

 

[b team]

I'm mostly on WhiteX's side of this never-ending argument, but I'd feel better about it if the time from order to delivery was shorter.
Bottom line, Tesla is trying to improve the cars every day, and they push out the improvements as soon as they are ready. That is awesome.

The arguments that Tesla should hold on to improvements until a yearly (or later) refresh cycle are flawed in their reasoning:

• 1. Just because I missed an improvement does not justify screwing the next people in line. And of course the people complaining of the current system do not consider that they may have benefited and received improvements that would otherwise have been withheld.
• 2. The depreciation that can (at least theoretically) occur soon after purchase is only relevant for people who want to sale the car before the next refresh. Since that is unlikely to affect the lion's share of owners, there is little substance to the argument.

In other words, why should 95+% of Tesla buyers be forced to subsidize people who insist on trading in their cars frequently? They shouldn't.

 

[sparkypete]

I would have paid it. I think it's been confirmed elsewhere that only cars build before mid-June are affected so it's those in transit since then that fall into this potential possible cancel-reorder opportunity. I suppose this will be mainly non-US customers as US will have received their cars?

 

[Quick2Judge]

Good hypothetical question not sure if it is real world relevant. My delivery specialist confirmed what electrek wrote. All cars being produced going forward (regardless when the reservation was made) will include the performance enhancements.

Are others hearing differently?

 

[sparkypete]

Good hypothetical question not sure if it is real world relevant.

It is relevant if your car was built early June and you haven't taken delivery yet. Cancelling is then still an option.

 

[Ross_K]

Current reservation holders are facing that dilemma as they have an option to cancel and re-order their cars, but foregoing their initial deposit.

There's no dilemma. If the car is in the queue for production, then they will receive the new spec (faster acceleration and high amperage charger) at the price they originally paid. This was confirmed to me by Tesla in an email.

 

[McRat]

I'd need more info.

If only torque management was edited to permit a harder launch, but the 50-70 passing speed didn't change, no I would not. There really are no situation I encounter where 5 seconds to 60 is a fault in a street car. Track car? Sure.

7 seconds to 60 allows you to jump most vehicles when necessary at a light. But passing speed can be life or death. More is more betta'. That's what I'd pay for. I went quicker 0-60 than 2.5s before. It's a closed course thingy. IIRC, a 1.50x sixty foot is about 2.2s 0-60 mph with no rollout. I've done high 1.3's at LVMS in a mild Super Gas car. And 1.5xx sixties in a 6420lb 4x4 pickup at HRP. 4.x seconds is very quick for the street, but not very quick for a car.

 

[Brass Guy]

When I bought mine, it was about $15,000 to upgrade to the P85 (3.9 sec 0-60) from the S85 (5.4 sec 0-60). I still see it as an individual choice, but the "bang for the buck" is definitely there.

 

[whitex]

There's no dilemma. If the car is in the queue for production, then they will receive the new spec (faster acceleration and high amperage charger) at the price they originally paid. This was confirmed to me by Tesla in an email.

There is no dilemma FOR YOU. Those whose care are in transit do face that dilemma. Out of curiosity, how will you plan to know for sure whether your car has it once you take delivery?

 

[bobjustbob]

No, you went into a contract to get whatever the specs were at time, that is what both parties agree on. If the price went up, I'm sure you'd be arguing to not pay the latest and greatest price.

This is incorrect. I ordered a pre facelift S70 and since my car didn't go into production prior to the facelift announcement I got a facelifted Model S. That wasn't the car I ordered and that "both parties agree on." IMHO If your car hasn't entered production yet you will get the faster 0-60 times.

 

[whitex]

This is incorrect. I ordered a pre facelift S70 and since my car didn't go into production prior to the facelift announcement I got a facelifted Model S. That wasn't the car I ordered and that "both parties agree on." IMHO If your car hasn't entered production yet you will get the faster 0-60 times.

You likely agreed on the order change (possibly even asked for it), otherwise at delivery time you had the full right to walk away unless they produce the car you agreed on buying. While in your case this worked out well, I because you wanted the refresh look and it didn't cost you any more, it can be a sticky point for some. There is a post here on the forum where someone ordered a 60 with solid roof, but because they delayed delivery they ran out of solid roofs, and for some reason they refused to limit the car to 60. Tesla would not start production until the customer agreed to a 75 with glass roof and the price difference (I don't remember exactly but I think they asked for $1,000 or something like this - the customer still got a good deal but he wanted to hold out for the original price, hence a long thread on that topic).