so now we're debating the definition of mass market and how the M3 will be a 1m/yr to 2m/yr vehicle instead of talking about how Tesla's M3 is going to replace Toyota and GM?... I know... I keep talking about "replacement"... but that's because that is what the story on this board was until yesterday... and now magically somehow everyone's forgotten this.
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Drumheller
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There is a HUGE difference in the number of people that can afford a $17,000 car and those that can afford a $35,000 car. I wonder how many people in this thread have ever struggled to pay their bills and didn't have a safety net? I think many of you truly don't realize how the average American family lives.
Drumheller
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I agree with some of your points and don't like the personal attacks I see directed to you and others that disagree with the herd mentality in this thread.
However, I think you are forgetting some things:
Tesla has said for some time that the target for the Model 3 is people that might buy a BMW 3 series or similar car.
Tesla is not just an automotive company. The energy and solar segments are growing.
The stock price should account for all of Tesla, not just the automotive segment.
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My family (single mom) was on welfare at one point in my life growing up, dead broke. Some of us just choose not to live our lives as victims or entitled.
Reciprocity
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We don't use the T-word around here. I wouldn't know what you are talking about as it's been pretty clear it's been the master plan. Tesla and Elon don't plan I'm selling every human an EV, only acceleration the adoption of sustainable energy and sustainable zero emissions consumption. Built an expensive sports cast, build a high end sedan, build a less expensive mass market car. No one ever said the plan was to sell cheap cars. Tesla is driving demand which should bring in more companies to fill that low end low margin demand.
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JRP3
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Those people buy used cars. I've owned my share of sub $500 vehicles.
Drumheller
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I know plenty of people working full time career jobs that cannot afford a $35,000 car and they do not have a victim mentality.
anticitizen13.7
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Everyone has a different model for how they expect Tesla to grow market share. The "story" on this board is actually many different projections.
Railing against what you perceive as some kind of unified "story" here is pointless.
The average working class people I know generally do not buy new cars ever. They buy something used, 3-5 years old usually, and drive it till it's totally busted.
Even for humble cars like the trusty Honda Civic, new buyers are younger upper middle class people who expect their incomes to grow.
Buying "new" is a luxury for those who can afford to pay for depreciation. A Civic Touring sedan costs $27,000. It's a mass market car that the average American will never be willing to buy new.
JRP3
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When the herd is consistently right it's best to follow it instead of the hyena skulking around the edges.
anticitizen13.7
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This whole argument is because people are conflating "mass market" with "for the average working class American".
These are NOT the same thing. The BMW 3-Series is a mass market car. So is the Honda Accord, and the Honda Fit.
These are NOT the same thing. The BMW 3-Series is a mass market car. So is the Honda Accord, and the Honda Fit.
mmd
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Is there a terrible lip sync issue in this video? Got a headache watching the presentation. It's like watching a poorly dubbed Chinese movie
But none of those are selling at MSRP. The fanboy author picked some criteria by which he could put a $44k M3 as the cheapest, as if that is a major criteria in a car buying process. "I am looking for the car with the cheapest and largest gas tank"
If you want to compare realistic pricing, compare the lease pricing. 127 mile range Nissan Leaf is leasing for $99/mo. A 238 mile Chevy Bolt with many standard features in any color is $149/mo for 10k miles/yr. So, a 310 mile Model 3 needs to be at (149/238) * 310 = $194/mo lease. Wake me up when Tesla releases the lease deals for M3.
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Dana Hull, as usual, tries to put a negative spin on every thing TSLA.
Musk Says It's Going to Be ‘Hell’ Making the Model 3 Quickly Enough
However, the most read article on Bloomberg right now is the positive one from Tom Randall . Better luck next time, Dana.
Musk Says It's Going to Be ‘Hell’ Making the Model 3 Quickly Enough
However, the most read article on Bloomberg right now is the positive one from Tom Randall
. Better luck next time, Dana.
Sweet innocent myusername? Who shows up on down days, or bad news days for TSLA warning about imminent drops to $170?
Employing such scare-tactics with the hope of pushing stockholders into selling? Likely either for his own personal monetary gain, or quite possibly his paymasters?
Yuri_G
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The base price is $35k. The car with all options added is a lot more. The same with every other production car ever. How about the complainers list all the non mass-market cars selling >500k a year?
Just salty she didn't get to drive a tesla.Dana Hull, as usual, tries to put a negative spin on every thing TSLA.
Musk Says It's Going to Be ‘Hell’ Making the Model 3 Quickly Enough
However, the most read article on Bloomberg right now is the positive one from Tom Randall
Drumheller
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So what? I've dealt with many people that think I'm nuts for being a Tesla fanboy and buying the stock that I did. If your confidence in Tesla is shaky enough that one dissenting voice on a message board is enough to convince you to sell, then perhaps you should be investing in safer areas.
JRP3
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Wake me up when there is so much demand for the Bolt that it doesn't get discounted.
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