2017 Investor Roundtable: TSLA Market Action

[bdy0627]

TSLA will move with seemingly no formal news. There are a lot of interested parties watching the Model 3 roll out. If it looks like the ramp is going as Elon predicted or ahead (through VIN sightings and counting), then the stock will move with "no news". So I expect the stock to run ahead of the actual production numbers in November.

I agree. Look how far ahead of Model 3 reveal the stock moved.

 

[Lump]

For consideration: TVIX constantly loses value on average, that's why max (1 year) is 280. If you go back 5 years, you will see that it was 437,500 (not a joke) pre-all-reverse-splits.
This is nature of fund and I believe it's because of the cost of complex set of instruments to enable short term exposure to 2xVIX
Holding TVIX for more than a week or two is probably not the prudent tactic.

Agree, product designed for "day(s) traders", TVIX is a very short term instrument & should only be considered by sophisticated investors, best to find other hedges.

BTW, TVIX is +24% currently.

 

[zdriver]

Interesting price action so far. Purple line is intraday VWAP. Cyan line is 200ma (1m chart) Red line is $356. So far holding up impressively well, IMO.

 

[GoTslaGo]

Agree, product designed for "day(s) traders", TVIX is a very short term instrument & should only be considered by sophisticated investors, best to find other hedges.

BTW, TVIX is +24% currently.

Yep, ran all the info with Wife. She said no. So we're sitting this volatility out.

 

[Lump]

Not once have I discussed portfolio allocation or a single trade with my wife in the past 20 years .

 

[GoTslaGo]

Not once have I discussed portfolio allocation or a single trade with my wife in the past 20 years .

I do this on purpose. My wife has a much higher likelihood of outliving me, so I make it a point to keep our investing and trading a shared process. When my time comes, I want to make sure she knows what to do and what is going on. Also she has a better eye for finding good deals. She finds them, I research them and we decide whether to act on them.

 

[MitchJi]

I'm not doubting that you and your wife have your own strategy and good instincts.

My own data points shows me that timing the market is hard, and memory could be selective.

That's surprising, I doubt that constantly.

You are in shares? We've either been 100% in options or completely out of the market. I don't see that changing in the next 12-24 months.

 

[ev-enthusiast]

Any news?

 

[AlMc]

Not once have I discussed portfolio allocation or a single trade with my wife in the past 20 years .

@Lump: I was unsure whether I should give this one a 'helpful', 'love', 'funny' 'dislike'.

I went with 'funny'.

 

[viKtor slamet]

Wow.. -$10 in a trading day. At this rate, TSLA will be $0 before Xmas

 

[Richgoogol]

If only everyone could just stop panicking ...

 

[ValueAnalyst]

Somebody should backtest buying TSLA when frequency of Market Action posts drop and vice versa.

 

[GoTslaGo]

If only everyone could just stop panicking ...

Who's panicking? Buying over here.

Max Pain=350.

Double witching options expiration date (I think it's double, it's not triple at least). IIRC it was @Papafox who pointed out that with low volumes, Max Pain can sometimes act like a tractor beam... add in options expiry...

 

[Richgoogol]

If I recall correctly, I believe the bond that Tesla recently issued will be closing tomorrow. Is that going to affect the SP in anyways?

 

[Jayjs20]

Don't need to find excuses to explain the SP. Macros went off a cliff again, with nasdaq is down 120 points and the SP500 down 30. It's pretty obvious that that's what's dragging the SP down.

 

[GoTslaGo]

Don't need to find excuses to explain the SP. Macros went off a cliff again, with nasdaq is down 120 points and the SP500 down 30. It's pretty obvious that that's what's dragging the SP down.

Wonder if it's Barcelona or Impeachment talk?

 

[ggies07]

Don't need to find excuses to explain the SP. Macros went off a cliff again, with nasdaq is down 120 points and the SP500 down 30. It's pretty obvious that that's what's dragging the SP down.

If that's the case, then Trump is officially affecting my personal finances. I have some choice words then....

 

[ValueAnalyst]

Tesla releases new Autopilot 2.0 software update, adds Automatic High Beam worldwide

 

[Richgoogol]

I just read something really interesting...If this is true, I don't know what to make of it...After all money is money, and in business there's no free money. Not really happy being a devoted shareholder when they are throwing out money like this when they are still unprofitable.
Tesla goes goodwill hunting with free money

 

[Skryll]

I just read something really interesting...If this is true, I don't know what to make of it...After all money is money, and in business there's no free money. Not really happy being a devoted shareholder when they are throwing out money like this when they are still unprofitable.
Tesla goes goodwill hunting with free money

'An analyst at a large asset manager who bought the bonds said he was told the coupon was rounded up as an homage to the new Model 3. The Tesla spokesman denied this.' - lol not surprised that goldman sachs has to do with this.

So now the speculations can begin:
- was this just a stunt to get talked about at cocktail parties to shore up demand for the cars and future bond sales?
- or do they know they are going to make so much more on the faster rampup turning the model3 product into their cashcow that it just does not matter, mousenuts ?