LevelHeaded
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I took delivery of model 3s in September 2018 and December 2019 that were worse than this
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Another rejected model Y
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ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
That's on you for accepting inferior quality.
LevelHeaded
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Didn’t bother me in the slightest. All 3 of my Teslas are of standard Tesla quality
Why you guys so lenient on Tesla? Many flaws on OP's pictures are outrageous! I wonder whether they have any human quality control..
Standard Tesla Quality < Every Other Carmaker Quality
go in with this in mind and you'll leave satisfied enough. hahahah
go in with this in mind and you'll leave satisfied enough. hahahah
VaxAce
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I don't think its as much a fanboy attitude - I think people realize if you want a Tesla this is the kind of stuff you have to accept. I don't like it - I don't like accepting it - however - as other posters have said - this is par for the course. When I picked up my Tesla last month I had some panel issues - the rear seat issue and the charger port issue -- all issues that I believe Tesla will fix.
I am under the impression that SCs have given up fixing the rear seat misalignments and charger port doors, stating they are “within spec” or (for the rear seats) they all do that and we don’t have any fix for it.
it’s because I’m seeing a lot of claims of “within spec” as a reason for SCs to deny attempts to fix panel alignments I am even more skeptical to take delivery of things a few months ago I believed Tesla would have put an effort in to correct.
it’s because I’m seeing a lot of claims of “within spec” as a reason for SCs to deny attempts to fix panel alignments I am even more skeptical to take delivery of things a few months ago I believed Tesla would have put an effort in to correct.
OP, your choice but disagree that it was necessary to decline delivery. The tail light issue is on every single Tesla and if you look at the outer edge it lines up. The (only) imperfection is in the paint seems which it looks like it can be corrected with a drop of compound and a slight couple rubs with a micro-fiber towel - did they offer to fix it. If you search any manufacturer's car with you'll find issues. My MY had numerous issues which Tesla is fixing, the SC is willing (in writing) to fix every issue. Hope your replacement is perfect but doubt you will ever find a perfect car at delivery. Own both BMW and Audi .... both had issues at delivery ... scratched windshield, damaged leather, speckled digital instrument display/speedomter.
This was exactly what tipped me over the edge. Folks, when you see e-coat, it means they missed fully painting the area! That's pretty much unheard of on a exposed body panel for any manufacturer including Tesla. And to everyone saying that you can use a little compound to remove this, you obviously know nothing about paint or what the e-coat is. This is not some minor issue that the service center can fix. It requires work at a body shop and given the recent stories of the SC saying things are within spec, I was not willing to risk it.
If that is actually E coat showing through the paint then Tesla is not prepping the cars correctly. Or there is a contamination issue with the e coat primer and paint.. It almost looks like the solvents in the paint are separating as it is being sprayed.
What is E-Coat?
So, what is E-Coating?
Introduction
E-coating – also known as Electrophoretic Painting, Electrocoating, Electropainting etc. – is a high-tech process that has been developed over the last fifty years. A specialist form of this technology – the CLEARCLAD process – has been developed over the last 25 years.
The E-coat process was originally developed for applying an anti-corrosive coating over steel car bodies. E-coats such as the CLEARCLAD processes are used for coating a wide range of consumer goods including hardware, jewellery, eyeglass frames, giftware and many other items.
Users recognize E-coat’s ability to paint high production volumes of parts with a unique combination of decoration and protection. Material utilization is close to 100%. This high production efficiency coupled with advanced quality results in lower unit costs.
How E-coating works
The coating materials (resins, pigments, additives, etc.) are dispersed in water and held in a bath. The parts to be coated are immersed in the solution and an electrical current is passed through the bath using the parts as an electrode.
Electrical activity around the surface of the parts makes the resin directly in contact become insoluble in water. This causes a layer of resin – including any pigments and additives present – to adhere to the surface of the parts. The coated parts can then be removed from the bath and the coating is normally cured by baking in an oven to make it hard and durable.
Advantages of the Electropainting Process
Immersion process: All of the surfaces in contact with the solution are coated. This means that even the most complicated shapes can be completely coated. Parts can be more densely packed on the rack to increase production rate.
Electrical deposition method: The application of electricity causes the resins and other ingredients to deposit onto the parts’ surface. Controlling the electrical current enables a predictable and consistent thickness of coating to be applied. This is essential if “tinted” coatings are required – for example “brass” or “gold” colors over bright nickel or zamak. Consistent color effect demands consistent thickness.
Water based process: There are no flammability problems during application. Also, there is no need to dry parts after water-based cleaning or pretreatment processes. Using Ultrafiltration technology, rinse water can be extracted from the bath itself and used to recycle nearly 100% of drag-out back into the bath. This maximizes material usage and minimizes costs.
Comparing E-coating with solvent based spraying and powder coating
Solvent Based Spray
Further, the following comparison illustrates the higher productivity of the E-coat process. The question is, “How many parts can be coated for every 1 kilogram of paint?” This example is based on a standard part with a surface area of 15.5 square inches. The minimum thickness requirement is 12 microns. E-coating is able to deliver this within the range of 12 – 13 microns. Good quality spray paints need to apply 12 – 18 microns to be certain of maintaining a 12 micron minimum. Powder coating cannot deliver much less than 30 microns and will normally work within a 30 – 60 micron range.
System Average Thickness Number of Parts Coated
E-coat 12.5 microns 3600
Spray paint 15 microns 2250
Clear powder coat 45 microns 1200
Note that in this example the supply solids of the E-coat and spray paint are the same – i.e. 50%.
The lower productivity of the liq
What is E-Coat?
So, what is E-Coating?
Introduction
E-coating – also known as Electrophoretic Painting, Electrocoating, Electropainting etc. – is a high-tech process that has been developed over the last fifty years. A specialist form of this technology – the CLEARCLAD process – has been developed over the last 25 years.
The E-coat process was originally developed for applying an anti-corrosive coating over steel car bodies. E-coats such as the CLEARCLAD processes are used for coating a wide range of consumer goods including hardware, jewellery, eyeglass frames, giftware and many other items.
Users recognize E-coat’s ability to paint high production volumes of parts with a unique combination of decoration and protection. Material utilization is close to 100%. This high production efficiency coupled with advanced quality results in lower unit costs.
How E-coating works
The coating materials (resins, pigments, additives, etc.) are dispersed in water and held in a bath. The parts to be coated are immersed in the solution and an electrical current is passed through the bath using the parts as an electrode.
Electrical activity around the surface of the parts makes the resin directly in contact become insoluble in water. This causes a layer of resin – including any pigments and additives present – to adhere to the surface of the parts. The coated parts can then be removed from the bath and the coating is normally cured by baking in an oven to make it hard and durable.
Advantages of the Electropainting Process
Immersion process: All of the surfaces in contact with the solution are coated. This means that even the most complicated shapes can be completely coated. Parts can be more densely packed on the rack to increase production rate.
Electrical deposition method: The application of electricity causes the resins and other ingredients to deposit onto the parts’ surface. Controlling the electrical current enables a predictable and consistent thickness of coating to be applied. This is essential if “tinted” coatings are required – for example “brass” or “gold” colors over bright nickel or zamak. Consistent color effect demands consistent thickness.
Water based process: There are no flammability problems during application. Also, there is no need to dry parts after water-based cleaning or pretreatment processes. Using Ultrafiltration technology, rinse water can be extracted from the bath itself and used to recycle nearly 100% of drag-out back into the bath. This maximizes material usage and minimizes costs.
Comparing E-coating with solvent based spraying and powder coating
Solvent Based Spray
- Overspray is wasted
- Rack or support is coated
- Complete coverage difficult
- Consistent thickness difficult
- Flammable during application
- Parts must be dry
- No overspray problem
- Insulated racks are not coated
- Complete coverage characteristic
- Consistent thickness characteristic
- No flammability problem
- Parts can be dry or wet
- Overspray difficult to reclaim
- Rack or support is coated
- Very wide thickness distribution
- Parts must be dry
- No overspray problem
- Insulated racks are not coated
- Controlled, consistent thickness
- Parts can be dry or wet
Further, the following comparison illustrates the higher productivity of the E-coat process. The question is, “How many parts can be coated for every 1 kilogram of paint?” This example is based on a standard part with a surface area of 15.5 square inches. The minimum thickness requirement is 12 microns. E-coating is able to deliver this within the range of 12 – 13 microns. Good quality spray paints need to apply 12 – 18 microns to be certain of maintaining a 12 micron minimum. Powder coating cannot deliver much less than 30 microns and will normally work within a 30 – 60 micron range.
System Average Thickness Number of Parts Coated
E-coat 12.5 microns 3600
Spray paint 15 microns 2250
Clear powder coat 45 microns 1200
Note that in this example the supply solids of the E-coat and spray paint are the same – i.e. 50%.
The lower productivity of the liq
Honestly the only thing that might be a real issue is the sealing around the windshield-would definitely want to check that it's waterproof. Otherwise it's standard Tesla grade fitment. Expecting the fit to be significantly better than this is honestly not realistic, you're buying a Tesla not a Lexus or a Porsche.
It's a brand new $60K car but most of that money went into the powertrain and autopilot system so expecting the same fit and finish as a $60K car where more of the money went into perfect fit and finish and a pretty interior doesn't make any sense. There are no other $60K EV crossovers that do 0-60 in 3.4 seconds or that have quite the same EV range. The Audi E-Tron has better fit/finish but it starts at $75K for the lower end trim that doesn't even have adaptive cruise control. It's $80K if you want the one that has the driver assistance system. Even at $80K the 0-60 time is 5.5seconds and the range is 218 miles. So at the end of the day you're either picking worse fit and finish but a better powertrain and driver assistance system for $60K or if you want that better fit and finish you'll need to sacrifice the power and range and drop another $20K.
Tesla compromised that perfect fit and finish to get the product to market at this price point. You're either going to be OK with that and a happy Tesla owner or you should probably save up and buy a different car.
Why would you accept that for such an expensive car? More expensive than most lexus and the same price as the cheapest Porsche (at least here in the UK)
I don't understand why people constantly defend the poor build quality and say it's within Tesla's "spec". If we continue to say that, and continue to accept substandard quality then there is no motivation for Tesla to improve. There is no motivation for them to get in line with everyone else in the auto industry.
Don't get me wrong, I love everything Tesla are trying to do and they have some great ideas, but the Y is their 4th (or 5th if you count original roadster) model. It's about time they learnt to build a car correctly.
When I was a kid, and I'm in my 60's, there were two ways to by Chuck Taylor Converse sneakers. You could pay full price, or if they were heat-stamped "BLEMISHED" on the soles, get 'em at a discount. The blems had minor issues, like the sneaker's side trim was slightly mis-aligned or something. But they were less expensive, and we loved them.
Maybe Elon needs to sell Blems at a slight discount. Would anyone be interested?
Maybe Elon needs to sell Blems at a slight discount. Would anyone be interested?
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
They already do, often with no discount. Biggest adjustment i've seen on a Y thus far is on a 7 day reject car and even that was less than $1,000.
Huh??? They need to be able to build car CORRECTLY before even consider doing anything else.They're making cars, not only software/tech.. Quality control and building/manufacturing parts that fit correctly shouldn't be overlooked due to them being a electric car company man..
SSonnentag
埃隆•馬斯克
Way too picky in my opinion, but it's your money. It's a mode of transportation, not a priceless work of art. One visit to the grocery parking lot will net more damage than I can see in the pics. The windshield is installed correctly. No issue there at all. Alignments are all within spec and look fine to me. Minor finger prints and scuffs are so superficial as to be not worth worrying about unless you're looking for a show car that will never be driven. Whatever.
Surely we've got to accept better? If we kept accepting built standards lower than the rest of the car industry, then they would have no incentive to improve. Believe me, they will have to once the big boys catch up with the battery tech. Then why would anyone go for a badly built car?
