Sorry to the OP
RedLoubs&wine and everyone else for the digression -- but I'm bored and have to challenge Troy's continued propaganda postings here (and in other threads):
Yes, thanks... and to that point, let's review Troy's claims:
Yes,
we know.
"Sense of fakeness"? Seriously? This is a completely subjective aesthetic. Some people like it, some don't. And the "cheapness because of the plastic".. have you actually ever gotten that close to an older Model S to know that? It's not "cheap plastic." You realize you're crapping on a design by Franz von Holzhausen, who still does all of Tesla's designs? He designed the grill that way on purpose, to ease the public's transition to electric cars. It actually had a purpose -- he wanted the design, at first, to 'fit in' to more traditional car designs, and then slowly update it later, which he has done. But this is just your attempt to crap on anything that's not a Model 3. And why should any Tesla owner care what other people think of what kind of car they are driving, even if it is an older Model S? It's still a freaking TESLA. This reveals much more about your own insecurities and low self-esteem than it does anything about other people who choose to buy and PROUDLY drive a "nosecone grill" Model S. Some people already consider it "classic."
A difference of SIX PERCENT. It's not even that much of a difference but you make it sound awful. And of course you cherry-pick your data to support your claims. You left out that that 233 miles for a M3 Mid Range is only when equipped with 18" Aero wheels. The same M3MR with 19" rims gets LESS range (211 miles) than the Model S85. And the same M3MR with 18" rims and non-Aero wheels gets almost the same range as the S85 (223 miles, a difference of just 4 miles). But how nice of you to leave all that out, which is even more interesting because all that data comes from your own website (which has its own flawed methodology, but I won't get into that now).
Stop making it sound like AP1 sucks. Up until recently, AP1 and AP2 were at parity. AP2 is only now offering some features not in AP1. There's absolutely nothing wrong with "being stuck with AP1". There are thousands of AP1 cars out there, and it works REALLY REALLY WELL. For someone just getting into their first used Tesla, AP1 is, and always will be very usable and stable.
And also nobody knows when the "upgrade to AP3.0" will happen. Retrofits are probably not happening "in a few months" and probably won't happen until the software for more advanced EAP and FSD is ready to take advantage of the new AP3 hardware. That could be years away. So people on AP2 or AP2.5 are also "stuck" (using your words) until that happens.
Subjective. Also, not really that important.
That's a strech. It's a relatively
slower, but not "slow".
Did the OP say anything about needing a roof rack?
How about this? You still
can't buy an Extended Service Agreement (extended warranty) from Tesla for a Model 3. Seems like you forgot to include that fact.
Again, nice cherry-picking. Why didn't you say that Model 3 costs 28% less than Model S? I'll tell you.. because 41% sounds a lot worse than 28%. But both are saying exactly the same thing.
No, that's not the reason. The reason the Model S and X cost more is because there is a market for these cars at the higher price points, and people would (gladly) pay those prices. Elon Musk has explained many many times the Tesla Super Secret Master Plan is:
- Build sports car (Roadster)
- Use that money to build an affordable car (MS+MX)
- Use that money to build an even more affordable car (M3)
- While doing above, also provide zero emission electric power generation options
(Source:
The Secret Tesla Motors Master Plan (just between you and me))
I really don't know why you have to come up with these insane theories about the efficiency of the NUMMI plant before Tesla even owned it. That's just misleading and disingenuous hyperbole. Please Stop.
What you naively exclude in your "analysis" is that Tesla is a public company. If they upgraded the efficiency of the MS/MX line and lowered the costs, they would most likely still charge the SAME PRICE -- as long as there is demand -- and significantly increase the margins on the MS/MX line, which would drive up the stock price and company valuation. Elon Musk has a $2.6 billion compensation plan that only pays out if he gets Tesla to an market valuation of $650 billion in the next 10 years. He doesn't do that by lowering the price of the most expensive cars just because the manufacturing line becomes more efficient. Finance 101.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
