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Anyone can point me to link says FSD is still Level 2?
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mgs333
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Is an insurance company actually giving you trouble? Because I find it hard to imagine that all the Teslas in Canada with FSD are driving around with no insurance.
Thanks . But this picture is the Aviva underwriter sent to my broker to let her confirm Tesla FSD is at which level.
The definition of a Level 3 car is that the driver doesn't have to watch the road ("the car performs the full OEDR") and that the car is driving autonomously without the need for a driver when in autonomous "Level 3" mode. There is no "take over immediately" in L3 so there is no need for hands on the wheel. You can watch a movie in an L3 car (but you need to stay in the driver's seat). In an L2 hands-off system you still need to watch the road at all times and are just getting help from the car to steer and adjust the speed.
In the Tesla owner's manual it clearly says that "Full Self-Driving (Beta) is a hands-on feature. Keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times, be mindful of road conditions and surrounding traffic, and always be prepared to take immediate action."
That's the description of a Level 2 driver assistance system.
This is the closest you will get. Maybe you can cite Tesla's admission to the California DMV that FSD Beta is level 2 ADAS, but Tesla doesn't make official statements as a company on things like this.The definition of a Level 3 car is that the driver doesn't have to watch the road ("the car performs the full OEDR") and that the car is driving autonomously without the need for a driver when in autonomous "Level 3" mode. There is no "take over immediately" in L3 so there is no need for hands on the wheel. You can watch a movie in an L3 car (but you need to stay in the driver's seat). In an L2 hands-off system you still need to watch the road at all times and are just getting help from the car to steer and adjust the speed.
In the Tesla owner's manual it clearly says that "Full Self-Driving (Beta) is a hands-on feature. Keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times, be mindful of road conditions and surrounding traffic, and always be prepared to take immediate action."
That's the description of a Level 2 driver assistance system.
Maybe this support page for FSD Beta recall could help?
www.tesla.com
Update Vehicle Firmware to Improve Certain FSD Beta Driving Operations | Tesla Support
Tesla has issued a voluntary recall on certain Model S, Model 3, Model X and Model Y vehicles that have installed or pending installation of software that contains the Full Self-Driving (FSD) Beta feature. This recall affects only US and CA vehicles. Affected vehicles were identified based on...
This is perfect. ThanksMaybe this support page for FSD Beta recall could help?
Update Vehicle Firmware to Improve Certain FSD Beta Driving Operations | Tesla Support
Tesla has issued a voluntary recall on certain Model S, Model 3, Model X and Model Y vehicles that have installed or pending installation of software that contains the Full Self-Driving (FSD) Beta feature. This recall affects only US and CA vehicles. Affected vehicles were identified based on...
E90alex
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E90alex
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Because now you’ve made things more complicated for yourself. It makes no difference to them if it has FSD or not except for valuation of the vehicle since whether you use FSD or not all the liability still falls on the driver.
E90alex
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I suspect he asked about insurance coverage/liability for when the car is in “self driving” mode and not for the valuation of the option package for the vehicle.
Yes , thats correct. Further some insurance company said they will not insure the Tesla which has FSD enabled.
Well, they insured my MY in 2020, and FSD was clearly included in the description of the vehicle. I am still insured by them and they have never asked for clarification as to whether or not I was using FSD.
As for not insuring any vehicle with driver assist features, I find that a surprise and if I can't be insured, then I want a car with better driver assist than the crap I have now. My car has terrible TACC that I cannot use in many instances (although for the first time since buying that car, we've been able to use AP on highway 60 in Ontario since it no longer thinks the highway number is the speed limit.) I don't use any of the parking options since they are so terrible. I can't use the summon to move my car in and out of my parking spot in my building's garage anymore because that feature has been disabled by Elon, and I have no clue what if any of the other summon stuff still works on the car since my radar was disabled by Elon.
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