Battery Warranty not unlimited miles?

[rxlawdude]

you wouldn't believe how many people have asked about the Priuschat sticker on the bumper ...

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Love it! And congrats on the 3 years cancer-free.

I got my MS in July of 2015, so I guess I was first. I missed Priuschat and tried to keep up by still posting there, but my interests changed to the Tesla community...

 

[jeepn30]

As with laptops, at some point the curve flattens. But for now, today, my advice to ALL prospective owners is to seriously consider a mid-mileage CPO AP1 Model S with included supercharging for $45K or so (yes, they will go fast) until the dust settles. Drive it to 100,000 miles, and then load up with a new Model 3 or S/X/Y in 2019/2020, when presumably we'll have more mature/any FSD plus some other overdue features - including but not limited to HUD, 360-degree view, in-car hotspot, side camera stalks instead of side mirrors, and the list goes on

Except that the cheapest CPO is currently 45k, and cheapest with autopilot is 61k with the 60kw battery. I think the cheapest autopilot car I've seen has been upper 50's. It may change once the model 3 is out and running in full force, but for now you are looking at least in the 60's.

 

[Knightshade]

Except that the cheapest CPO is currently 45k, and cheapest with autopilot is 61k with the 60kw battery. I think the cheapest autopilot car I've seen has been upper 50's. It may change once the model 3 is out and running in full force, but for now you are looking at least in the 60's.

Yup.

I looked at used Ses too- it was at least 10k more to get a used one with shorter range and slower performance than the first-made 3s- and at least 20k more to get something even approaching comparable.

 

[cwerdna]

Except that the cheapest CPO is currently 45k, and cheapest with autopilot is 61k with the 60kw battery. I think the cheapest autopilot car I've seen has been upper 50's. It may change once the model 3 is out and running in full force, but for now you are looking at least in the 60's.

Battery capacity is measured in kWh, not "kw".

 

[internalaudit]

So what exactly is covered in Tesla S' battery limited warranty if it excludes battery capacity? Sounds like unlike the Bolt of Leaf, Tesla doesn't offer a replacement for batteries whose capacities that have degraded significantly (though it is well documented that majority of the batteries are holding their capacities over the years).

I hope in Canada, that -30 C (-22 F) doesn't apply, lol.


What Does the Tesla Model S Battery Warranty Cover?

Battery Limited Warranty

The Model S lithium-ion battery (the “Battery”) is an extremely sophisticated powertrain component designed to withstand extreme driving conditions. You can rest easy knowing that Tesla’s state-of-the-art Battery is backed by this Battery Limited Warranty, which covers the repair or replacement of any malfunctioning or defective Battery, subject to the limitations described below.

If your Battery requires warranty service, Tesla will repair the unit, or replace it with a factory reconditioned unit that has an energy capacity at least equal to that of the original Battery before the failure occurred. To provide you with even more assurance, this Battery Limited Warranty will also cover damage to your vehicle from a Battery fire even if it is the result of driver error. (Coverage will not extend to damage that had already been sustained before a Battery fire occurred, or to any damage if the Battery fire occurred after your vehicle had already been totaled.) Your vehicle’s Battery is covered under this Battery Limited Warranty for a period of 8 years or for the number of miles/km specified below for your Battery configuration, whichever comes first:

• 60 kWh - 125,000 miles (200,000 km) (deprecated?)
• 85 kWh - unlimited miles/km

Despite the breadth of this warranty, damage resulting from intentional actions (including intentionally abusing or destroying your vehicle, or ignoring active vehicle warnings), a collision or accident (excluding from Battery fires as specified above), or the servicing or opening of the Battery by non-Tesla personnel, is not covered under this Battery Limited Warranty.

In addition, damage resulting from the following activities is not covered under this Battery Limited Warranty:

• Exposing the vehicle to ambient temperatures above 140°F (60°C) or below -22°F (-30°C) for more than 24 hours at a time;
  
• Physically damaging the Battery, or intentionally attempting, either by physical means, programming, or other methods, to extend (other than as specified in your owner documentation) or reduce the life of the Battery;
  
• Exposing the Battery to direct flame (excluding from Battery fires as specified above); or,
  
• Flooding of the Battery.
  
• The Battery, like all lithium-ion batteries, will experience gradual energy or power loss with time and use. Loss of Battery energy or power over time or due to or resulting from Battery usage, is NOT covered under this Battery Limited Warranty. See your owner documentation for important information on how to maximize the life and capacity of the Battery.

 

[JeffK]

So what exactly is covered in Tesla S' battery limited warranty if it excludes battery capacity? Sounds like unlike the Bolt of Leaf, Tesla doesn't offer a replacement for batteries whose capacities that have degraded significantly (though it is well documented that majority of the batteries are holding their capacities over the years).

I hope in Canada, that -30 C (-22 F) doesn't apply, lol.


What Does the Tesla Model S Battery Warranty Cover?

Battery Limited Warranty

The Model S lithium-ion battery (the “Battery”) is an extremely sophisticated powertrain component designed to withstand extreme driving conditions. You can rest easy knowing that Tesla’s state-of-the-art Battery is backed by this Battery Limited Warranty, which covers the repair or replacement of any malfunctioning or defective Battery, subject to the limitations described below.

If your Battery requires warranty service, Tesla will repair the unit, or replace it with a factory reconditioned unit that has an energy capacity at least equal to that of the original Battery before the failure occurred. To provide you with even more assurance, this Battery Limited Warranty will also cover damage to your vehicle from a Battery fire even if it is the result of driver error. (Coverage will not extend to damage that had already been sustained before a Battery fire occurred, or to any damage if the Battery fire occurred after your vehicle had already been totaled.) Your vehicle’s Battery is covered under this Battery Limited Warranty for a period of 8 years or for the number of miles/km specified below for your Battery configuration, whichever comes first:

• 60 kWh - 125,000 miles (200,000 km) (deprecated?)
• 85 kWh - unlimited miles/km

Despite the breadth of this warranty, damage resulting from intentional actions (including intentionally abusing or destroying your vehicle, or ignoring active vehicle warnings), a collision or accident (excluding from Battery fires as specified above), or the servicing or opening of the Battery by non-Tesla personnel, is not covered under this Battery Limited Warranty.

In addition, damage resulting from the following activities is not covered under this Battery Limited Warranty:

• Exposing the vehicle to ambient temperatures above 140°F (60°C) or below -22°F (-30°C) for more than 24 hours at a time;
  
• Physically damaging the Battery, or intentionally attempting, either by physical means, programming, or other methods, to extend (other than as specified in your owner documentation) or reduce the life of the Battery;
  
• Exposing the Battery to direct flame (excluding from Battery fires as specified above); or,
  
• Flooding of the Battery.
  
• The Battery, like all lithium-ion batteries, will experience gradual energy or power loss with time and use. Loss of Battery energy or power over time or due to or resulting from Battery usage, is NOT covered under this Battery Limited Warranty. See your owner documentation for important information on how to maximize the life and capacity of the Battery.

Fire. module failure, general BMS failure, coolant issues. There's a lot that can go wrong besides capacity degradation.

... and of course that -22 degrees thing still applies in Canada. Use the pack heater and you won't have any issues with the warranty.