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AP is *sugar* except at empty Autobahn'sAnyone not gunna call out in the elephant in the room that even basics AP has a hard time following even slight bends and hugs the centerline too close?
The class action business can be very lucrative for attorneys, but that is more the exception than the rule. "Good" class actions don't fall out of trees and a firm may go several years before having an opportunity to litigate a lucrative class action. And, as I previously mentioned, class actions are a very risky undertaking for a law firm and are very costly.
Is the system perfect? Of course not! But the lawyers aren't the ones who are depriving the class members of a larger settlement. And the lawyers are the means by which we (the purchasers, customers, etc) can collectively protect ourselves from being taken advantage of..
If people read the contract, they should understand that there are no promises ref timelines. I they decided to move forward after reading the contract, or (like most prob did) not bothering to read it, well that's on themThe fine print of a contract certainly matters, but it doesn't necessarily or completely absolve Elon from the representations and statements he makes on behalf of the company.
Every class action I've seen, I needed to Opt out to not participate. I would automatically be part of the suit by simply doing nothing...I have never voluntarily joined a class action lawsuit so I thought they were all “included in class unless one opts-out”. In any case when I get the paperwork I will indeed opt out.
If people read the contract, they should understand that there are no promises ref timelines.
They decide to abandon FSD development as unworkable without expensive equipment upgrades to your car. They leave it a traffic aware cruise control with lane centering for use only on Interstate highways. The new Teslas get new computer systems, better cameras, LIDAR. Those upgrades are said to be incompatible with cars produced before 2023. You’re livid, you were promised any and all necessary upgrades to make your car capable.
We're discussing the same 84 pg class action filed last Thurs in CA, correct? I haven't seen articles pertaining to Tesla's legal team's request to dismiss this specific case...If You read through that most recent court filing that was posted recently on this forum about that most recent FSD
Lawsuit? Tesla argued that exact point in their request to get the judge to dismiss the suit.
Their motion was denied….
Not even $114.97 more like $1.14. Class Actions suits are only beneficial to the lawyers.Not how Class Action's work. They will settle for an amount and the lawyers will rake in a $100M and you will get a check for $114.97.
Nope. This case:We're discussing the same 84 pg class action filed last Thurs in CA, correct? I haven't seen articles pertaining to Tesla's legal team's request to dismiss this specific case...
Not even $114.97 more like $1.14. Class Actions suits are only beneficial to the lawyers.
Yeah, didn't think it was this last caseNope. This case:
As well as the FSD case before that one…that Tesla settled for several MILLION dollars.
Teslas motions to dismiss revolved around their argument that the fine print when you buy FSD is the only thing that counted. Not Elons tweets or public statements and not the doctored FSD video on their website.
The judges begged to differ and motions to dismiss were DENIED
There’s a fundamental flaw in the system itself that lends itself to the low payout for class members.This is going to be massively more complex considering the timeframe and wide range of things that will be brought up, from early adopters being outright sold robotaxis that haven’t materialized to commitments for delivery of even just Autosteer on City Streets.
And we have the fact that some (many?) people today still believe they’re buying Robotaxi functionality even though they’re being sold a system that will remain Level 2 for the foreseeable future. Right now Elon talks/tweets like he assumes everyone knows FSD will remain “supervised autonomy” and not like people think he’s saying Robotaxis will be here within three months.
Common shareholders are at the bottom of the totem pole in terms of any financial compensation from a company, feels like consumers might get a bit more. In that video above, the dude received $200 for a $5k purchase of features that were merely delivered 1-9 months late.There’s a fundamental flaw in the system itself that lends itself to the low payout for class members.
The problem is that the attorneys and the represented litigants are the ones settling the case, but they are also settling for the class, who have no say. The attorneys and the represented litigants do not get the same amount of money as the class, they’ll get much more. It’s in their best interest to settle.
So it’s more about the system itself than it is about the amount of damage suffered by the class. The people in the class will generally get pennies on the dollar.
I’ve been a class member in a number of class action suits, mostly in common stocks where there was wrongdoing that hurt the people who owned the stocks. Invariably the class payouts were extremely low.
Time will tell. It won’t matter much what is said here, we’ll just wait and see what happens. Meanwhile, my Tesla is still an awesome car so what ever happens with this suit, I’m happy. I’ll still opt out because I have a jaundiced view of the whole class action process, and honestly I don’t really feel I’ve been wronged here. I’m still annoyed with the broken promises.
But even if FSD were released tomorrow, I’m not going to fully trust it. In the last 5 years I‘ve yet to see a Tesla software release that wasn’t a beta. When the FSD software does arrive it too will be in a chronic beta. The dream of crawling into my car and it autonomously fully self driving me home won‘t be achieved during what’s left of my life time. A class action lawsuit isn’t going to change that.
Isn’t it mainly free AP features that “make your longer highway trips pleasant”?For the record, I did not purchase FSD. $12K didn't seem worth it, but I am paying the monthly $200 to see how it works. It's not bad and it def makes my longer highway trips very pleasant. However, my M3 received the FSD Beta update yesterday and while my first drive around the neighborhood was great, today's trips left a lot to be desired. It's good in well defined rural and residential type roads, but driving around big cities like Newark NJ or NYC is not for the faint hearted
True. My main reason for FSD was to try to get to Beta, which just happened yesterday. Just did a 500 mile roundtrip and I got used to and I'm kind of digging the lane change and auto exit featuresIsn’t it mainly free AP features that “make your longer highway trips pleasant”?
For me it is. I get in the middle interstate lane, enable AP, and arrive at my destination much less fatigued than without AP. And no, rarely do I need to lane change from that middle lane.