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Broken Window Twice Within Two Weeks
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you guys should ambush the thieves with baseball bats and tasers since the police are not doing anything
jlarmstr
Member
Singapore would disagree...
I suspect there is some regulation or such that requires them to provide this access for safety reasons.
IchDochNicht
Member
We may need a device that can be attached to the seat fold-down buttons... Something like a mouse trap, but with very sharp teeth, that would come down on the perp's fingers like a guillotine. Ideally with a nice strong current to add some electro-shocking and maximize the pain. And possibly collect some blood along the way for DNA matching.
Thinking about this makes me so mad... This has gotten way out of hand, and the authorities won't do anything about it.
A more realistic approach would be to fold down the rear seats and have an LED light that illuminates the empty trunk, making it easier to see that it's empty.
In the long run, there must be locks on the rear seats that thieves can't maniuplate. And perhaps Tesla can develop a shatter proof replacement glass piece. Lastly, let's have some integrated cameras that monitor the car's surroundings whenever there is sound or movement while parked.
Thinking about this makes me so mad... This has gotten way out of hand, and the authorities won't do anything about it.
A more realistic approach would be to fold down the rear seats and have an LED light that illuminates the empty trunk, making it easier to see that it's empty.
In the long run, there must be locks on the rear seats that thieves can't maniuplate. And perhaps Tesla can develop a shatter proof replacement glass piece. Lastly, let's have some integrated cameras that monitor the car's surroundings whenever there is sound or movement while parked.
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IchDochNicht
Member
Unfortunately, in the US that would allow the thief to sue us for the injuries, and we'd be even worse off.
gilscales
Banned
Although some of the criminal justice reforms brought about by Prop 47 were positive, the law sparked a surge in automobile break-ins and shopliftings throughout the state. By reducing penalties associated with these and other property crimes—and by making it more difficult to issue felony sentences—Prop 47 de-prioritizes justice for California residents and businesses, who now are increasingly victims of vandals and thieves operating with near impunity.
Data about vehicle break-ins during the past decade collected by the California Department of Justicereveal two fascinating patterns. First, the rate of reported smash-and-grab burglaries had been falling before passage of Prop 47. From 2007 to 2014, annual reported break-ins fell by roughly 24 incidents per 100,000 residents. In a state of 39.6 million residents, the decline amounted to an annual drop of about 9,500 vehicle break-ins, or 66,500 fewer reported smash-and-grab burglaries during the seven-year period.
Second, vehicle break-ins jumped sharply immediately after the passage of Prop 47 in late 2014. This surge reversed the downward trend of the previous seven years. In 2015, the rate of smash-and-grab burglaries increased by about 15 percent above the previous year. Vehicle break-ins rose slightly in 2016. For both 2015 and 2016, California averaged about 605 reported thefts from vehicles per 100,000 residents, which is about 21 percent higher than would have been expected in 2015 had pre-Prop-47 trends continued, and about 27 percent higher for 2016. The increase above the previous trend translated to a staggering 51,000 additional thefts statewide in 2016 alone.
Although many areas of California have seen increases in vehicle break-ins since the passage of Prop 47, certain high-density cities have been hit hardest. In San Francisco, where the problem is worst, public officials have called smash-and-grab burglaries an “epidemic.” Although the city has suffered a motor vehicle break-in problem for about a decade, the frequency of such crimes has skyrocketed in recent years.
In 2017, vehicle break-ins surpassed previous records in San Francisco, with 31,322 reported thefts—a 24 percent increase from 2016 levels. This uptick translated to more than one reported break-in in San Francisco every 20 minutes on average. These numbers, however, likely undercount the true theft rate due to a widespread belief that perpetrators will not be caught, an assessment that discourages people from reporting crimes to the police.
Very few smash-and-grab burglaries in San Francisco are resolved. More than 81,500 vehicle break-in reports were filed online from 2011 through 2017, (almost 40 percent of them in 2017 alone), but only 13 online reports led to arrests. Overall, the arrest rate for vehicle break-ins in San Francisco is less than 2 percent. The problem has become so severe that workers at one San Francisco car window repair business reportedly could not take lunch breaks until 4pm on certain days because they were so busy with repairs.
Other Bay Area cities have also been plagued by vehicle break-ins. In 2017, Oakland experienced a record year with 10,007 reported vehicle break-ins, up 32 percent over 2016. Also in 2017, San Jose set a record with 6,476 reported break-ins, a 17 percent increase above 2016.
Southern California cities have also experienced a surge of vehicle break-ins. West Hollywood, for example, has seen a spike in smash-and-grab burglaries. And much like in San Francisco, the thefts occur even in busy areas.
Across the state, one common characteristic of the smash-and-grab burglaries is particularly striking: the property stolen is frequently valued below the felony threshold established by Prop 47. This means that criminals can expect, at most, a misdemeanor citation if they are caught.
Many believe this light punishment has made criminals more brazen, willing to break into cars in broad daylight even with bystanders present. Because Prop 47 redefined felony thresholds, even stealing a carcan bring only a misdemeanor sentence if it is valued at $950 or less. As San Francisco police spokesperson Officer Albie Esparza acknowledged, Prop 47 has reduced penalties to “nothing more than a citation.”
For unlucky vehicle owners, the costs of a common break-in are significant. Window repairs generally cost several hundred dollars and often involve lost time from work or leisure. Victims are also out the value of stolen property, unlikely to see it again. Other burdens include replacing stolen items, which may have had irreplaceable sentimental value, and the hassle of dealing with insurance companies. Finally, victims suffer feelings of helplessness and personal violation that come from having an intruder destroy one’s property and rummage through possessions.
Smash-and-grab burglaries are now an everyday feature of Prop-47 California, and many people worry that it is here to stay. Street signs advise people to hide valuables in cars, while helpless vehicle owners tape notes on their car windows trying to convince thieves to spare them.
gilscales
Banned
Note to self, 2019 Business plan, Move to San Francisco, Open auto glass repair chain, stock lots of Tesla glass, retire soon, not in San Francisco
ucmndd
Well-Known Member
No they wouldn't.
Singapore incarceration rate per 100,000: 201
US Incarceration rate per 100,000: 655
jlarmstr
Member
Singapore vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats
Because they actually punish criminals.
Burglaries 28X higher in US
Robberies 7X higher in US
Assaults 54X higher in US
Singapore has some of the toughest and most severe penalties for crime. Hence, crime rate is lower, MUCH lower.
ucmndd
Well-Known Member
What does that have to do with the statement "If locking people up actually prevented crime we'd be the safest country on the planet", which is what you're responding to and seem to disagree with?
Singapore has a fraction of the crime, gets by on 1/64th of the police force, and imprisons a third of the people per capita that we do. Cool story. Maybe living in a society where people get caned for spitting out their gum and live in fear of an oppressive government is a suitable tradeoff to you in exchange for less petty crime. Unfortunately, you can't buy a Tesla there due to said oppressive government, which makes it a no-go for me.
Prop 47 was a citizen initiative, not done by the Ledg. And was approved by voters.
You should read and understand what you vote for.
You should read and understand what you vote for.
I guess time to put a new citizen initiative on the ballot. This time make clear what they are voting for.
"Do you want to reinstate the enforcement of property crimes by arresting and charging individuals who break into your car?"
I bet this would get a lot of support.
SDRick
Active Member
The real money to be made was to be a Florida laywer that sues the insurance companies who don't pay enough to cover the costs of replacement glass.
The vehicle owner may get a small adjustment, but you collect mountains of legal fees at no risk to you if you lose.
Insurers say auto glass companies leading new wave of claims abuses
brockm
Member
What Tesla should do is donate a bunch of Model 3 bait cars to various Bay Area police departments to plant in trouble spots and then stake them out and catch the assholes when they do it.
Cheburashka
Active Member
Catch and then what? It's not even a real crime, breaking into cars is like jaywalking in California.
Just drive a beater car to San Francisco or San Jose. The vandals target expensive cars because they are more likely to have something valuable inside.
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