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Buyer beware. Buying a CPO Tesla feels like a SCAM.

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Also, they don't provide service/repair history, so you don't know what work has been done on the car.

and I don't understand why. Saturn back in the day, Toyota, Nissan all will or did give me information about prior service history on cars I've bought. Pre sale and post. In some cases automated on a website without me even having to deal with a human.

I can't see a reason why you can't get someone to print out a sanitized service history and put it in the glove box of the "CPO" or used Tesla and let people look it over as they inspect the car before accepting delivery or even putting down a deposit.
 
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and I don't understand why. Saturn back in the day, Toyota, Nissan all will or did give me information about prior service history on cars I've bought. Pre sale and post. In some cases automated on a website without me even having to deal with a human.

I can't see a reason why you can't get someone to print out a sanitized service history and put it in the glove box of the "CPO" or used Tesla and let people look it over as they inspect the car before accepting delivery or even putting down a deposit.

There have been some legal cases in California. I think it was victim situation where a former female actor was murdered using automobile information. Other brand cars, you also have the same problem now obtaining info. Mistakes have happened where they have released names and addresses. So, the fix is to not give any information. Now, if you have proof of ownership, you can beg for sanitized info. Sometimes get it and sometimes not.
 
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There have been some legal cases in California. I think it was victim situation where a former female actor was murdered using automobile information. Other brand cars, you also have the same problem now obtaining info. Mistakes have happened where they have released names and addresses. So, the fix is to not give any information. Now, if you have proof of ownership, you can beg for sanitized info. Sometimes get it and sometimes not.
The case you're referring to had to do with CA DMV info. In many states, including California, you can file for and receive a ton of information thru the DMV. Drivers license, driving history (even unlisted numbers show up on tickets), registration address, etc. An actress was murdered by her stalker with info obtained thru the DMV (not service records).

So California shut down that access, as have many other states now. (I volunteered as a court-appointed intermediary when I lived in Colorado, receiving sealed birth records from the court & seeking the missing party to see if they wanted a reunion with a parent or child. We had to go thru a lot of training, including resources that could be used to find people. So a lot of first-hand experience with DMV records.)
 
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The case you're referring to had to do with CA DMV info. In many states, including California, you can file for and receive a ton of information thru the DMV. Drivers license, driving history (even unlisted numbers show up on tickets), registration address, etc. An actress was murdered by her stalker with info obtained thru the DMV (not service records).

So California shut down that access, as have many other states now. (I volunteered as a court-appointed intermediary when I lived in Colorado, receiving sealed birth records from the court & seeking the missing party to see if they wanted a reunion with a parent or child. We had to go thru a lot of training, including resources that could be used to find people. So a lot of first-hand experience with DMV records.)

Yes, that is what I was referring to when I said automobile information.Your situation as an intermediary is interesting. I am an adopted person and searched for my past and have helped others also. I haven't done it formally as you have. It was quite a challenge when I searched 35 years ago. I personally thank you for helping others do this...
 
Yes, that is what I was referring to when I said automobile information.Your situation as an intermediary is interesting. I am an adopted person and searched for my past and have helped others also. I haven't done it formally as you have. It was quite a challenge when I searched 35 years ago. I personally thank you for helping others do this...
Aww, we should talk sometime. I'm also an adoptee and even though I moved from Colorado, I still help reunite people, over 100 families to date. Some really touching stories out there. I cry every time. :) And my search for my family was about 25 years ago. And yes, it was quite a challenge without all the information that is now available online.

But I'm derailing the thread, so I'll stop. I'm sure we'll cross paths at some point. :)
 
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Just received my model three invite. I will postpone based upon the information contained in this post. Tesla does not have a service center in the Albany NY area, and driving over 50 miles to have even minor faults corrected, is unacceptable for a $55k vehicle.
I think Tesla will not be able to service and repair the Model 3 in NY, in a timely fashion, especially if many thousand are sold in NY.
I will wait 4 to 6 months and see what develops
 
At least a year or two ago you used to be able to log into a Toyata website and set yourself up as the owner of particular vin and have the service history of that VIN available to you. It was useful for checking the service history of used toyotas that you were considering to buy. Do they not do that anymore?
 
Just received my model three invite. I will postpone based upon the information contained in this post. Tesla does not have a service center in the Albany NY area, and driving over 50 miles to have even minor faults corrected, is unacceptable for a $55k vehicle.
I think Tesla will not be able to service and repair the Model 3 in NY, in a timely fashion, especially if many thousand are sold in NY.
I will wait 4 to 6 months and see what develops

This thread isn't even about new cars. So how does it have anything to do with ordering your M3? Plus anything with an M3 would be repaired and I think 50 miles is fairly close so I feel you are being unreasonable. What is your real reason? Maybe you want to wait for the $35,000 vehicle? I find that reasonable...
 
UPDATE:

I am happy to report that Tesla agreed to take the car back and give me a full refund.
They sent a loaner and took my car.
They gave me the option of CPO’ing my car for real and giving it back, with a promise that I’ll love it this time.
I’m opting for the refund.

The damage:
-I installed a wall socket in my garage just for it. Maybe it will find use one day. Maybe I’ll put another dryer there. Maybe it will just serve as a reminder to be less trusting.
- 5 weeks of aggravation.
- having to write the first post in this thread. I’m not exactly happy about doing this. But I felt I exhausted all other options.
- last and perhaps most upsetting, is that I now have a loaner and it is an awesome car, and driving it this morning solidified my decision to opt for the refund. The one I had just wasn’t a normal MS. It drove different, felt different and definitely looked very different. The damage is that I just can’t get myself to get another one, or even think about it. And it really is an awesome car. Maybe this will change with time.


I also requested that if I get another Tesla I wouldn’t ever deal with the SC i dealt with and they even agreed to that.

So all in all, despite the horrible experience, in my book they did the best thing they can do in a very unfortunate situation. Hopefully more of that coming from the company in the future. Much appreciated.

And to anyone that said that the fault is mine - i wholeheartedly agree. I should have inspected it properly on delivery. This in no way absolves them from trying to unload a crappy car on me. Nor does it excuse the way I was treated afterwards. Tesla needs some time to reflect and do some soul searching, and maybe a little housekeeping.

They pick up the loaner tomorrow.

I may ask them to come pick it up from the BMW dealership while I’m getting my new ride just for laughs. JK

For real though, probably going for the X5 e (one of them)

Enjoy your Tesla’s everyone!!!!

Cheers

I would suggest staying away from Tesla until they make some major changes to their customer service and quality of the cars they are selling. My experience with Tesla was bad right from the start and as soon as I put enough miles on mine to justify getting rid of it then it'll be gone. Most likely will go with a more reputable brand like Jaguar or Porsche as I feel they really stand behind their vehicles. I've never bought a car with options that either didn't work when I got it or didn't work good enough to justify using them until I bought an MS. Just my opinion but I'm glad things worked out for you. It just really sucks you really have to fight with them to get them to do anything.
 
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Ill try to keep this short and to the point. I'll also keep names out of it as I really do not intend to cause anyone any harm.

First of all, I love Tesla. An amazing company that makes a kick ass car led by a true visionary.
For most of the past 10 years i've been driving different BMW's as they provide the best driving experience in my opinion -- that was until I drove a model S.

So, I spoke with a sales person at Tesla. We went over options and available CPO's.
Overall a very helpful and accommodating person.
KEY POINT:
me: I never bought a car that I haven't seen in real life, or taken out for a test drive. What guarantee is there that the car is in good shape.
him: All of our CPO cars go through the rigorous Tesla certification process and have passed the Tesla quality standards in terms of esthetics and function.

This was enough of an explanation for me. it made sense. If its good enough for Tesla, its sure as hell good enough for me.

So, I bought a sexy white MS85D with 40K miles. All i saw was a photo of the car in what looked like a tesla workshop of some sort. I was referred to the nearest service center to my location (4 hours away) who were supposed to handle the delivery

Theres a bit of a mini-fiasco story with the delivery but lets skip that to keep this post on point. All i'll say is that after the papers were signed via overnight fedex back and forth (and people were super nice and friendly too) it felt like they forgot about me and sounded very annoyed every time I called to ask about when the car is getting delivered. Apparently it was being delayed because of the necessary detailing that had to be done.


Delivery:
delivery was in the late afternoon on a dark and gloomy day.
Took the car, signed the papers. Truck left.
I immediately call to ask about the cleanliness of the car. I was told that as a CPO it is within the Tesla standards.

Next day, in the sunlight, I had a better look at the car. and thats when I realized just how bad the car's condition is.
Issues:
- Headliner in TERRIBLE condition, Truly disgusting
- Steering wheel leather has what appears to be permanent damage. Maybe its just
- Blemish / paint chip on the front of the hood
- Leather seats have dark streaks of what looks like oil / grease stains
- Dirt and gravel pretty much everywhere.
- The rear trunk center storage compartment (requires lifting the trunk floor) has dirt and gravel, some weird clothing item, and most revoltingly a dental hygiene tool (an interdental floss -- is it used?? I hate to even consider the thought)
- Headliner is peeling and coming off in a couple of areas
- Center console has 2 deep gouges in it.

Other issues:
- BT audio connectivity SUCKS ( i have had to do a soft reset a total of 9 times now in 5 weeks).
- Wheels need alignment. The autopilot blue steering wheel looks funny at an 11 o'clock position when driving in a straight line.

Obviously I called and raised hell with the service dept. Sent them the photos. they apologize and say "let me see what I can do and ill call you back."
No call back, so I call next day. " Whats the update?"
"We are still looking into it, give me until the end of the day."
Car was delivered Monday. By Friday absolutely nothing was done. Each and every day I was told "I'll get right back to you with a way to correct this."
So, I call and tell them that ill take it to a local Auto detail specialist and get it cleaned up. Detail guy says headliner is beyond repair.
I call back and give the service team the update on Saturday. Service guy says "ok, we will have to send a truck to pick it up and bring it here. We will provide a loaner while we work on your car. Let me call you monday when my manager gets here to get it set up for you."
Monday comes. Nothing. Late afternoon I call the sales guy I bought the car from. "Hello -- Here's he deal, if this car was in a dealership there is no way in hell i would have bought it. I trusted you and the company when you said it is within the Tesla quality standards being a CPO car. whats the return policy on the car? and don't worry, i'll purchase another CPO, I just don't want this one"
"There is no return policy. The car is in good shape. Just cause you don't like it, does not mean you can return it."
"i'll send you the pictures, then lets talk about the Tesla quality standards"

I sent the pics, with a written request to return the car and to have my money back.
this was 4 weeks ago. I have sent him maybe 4-5 other emails and called about 4-5 as well. Have not heard back from Mr. Sales guy.

The service team eventually got back Tuesday. "We are working on the details on the loaner give us a couple of days."
I call Friday "no movement yet. Please be patient"
Another week goes by with absolutely nothing happening. Dodging my phone calls, everyone is in a meeting, and people are getting sick all of a sudden. I called Tesla headquarters in CA. they say all they can do is have the service center in charge of the car handle the problem. But, they will send it over to the escalations department. they recommended I speak with the manager in the service department but refuse to say his name.


On a Monday I get in touch with the manager. Super rude individual.
verbatim : "We are not sending a truck to pick your car up -- it is too expensive."
My reply was : "you know whats too expensive? paying $70K for a car with black and brown grease marks all over, a peeling headliner, and dental hygiene products in the trunk."
He insists that its too expensive to send a truck to pickup the car and provide a loaner. He said the best he can do is fix it in a Tesla approved body shop, and order the parts necessary and have it sent there. And they will arrange for a Luxury rental from Enterprise.
I explain to him that if the repairs take a month, and I have already been dealing with a month, then I will have paid for a car that I am completely unhappy with for 2 months -- thats not cool. And who wants to pay for a Tesla and then drive a car with an ICE and have to put gas and stuff..??
All he could do is send the mobile unit to fix the issues, scheduled on Friday, which will be 25 days from delivery.

Mobile unit gets here, the poor guy is shocked. He takes photos, all the while shaking his head. Says there is no way this can be done in the field. Recommends the car be sent back. this was 10 days ago.

Despite the recommendation from the mobile unit, it took the service team a whole week to give me straight answer about sending a loaner and picking my car up.
this is supposed to happen by Saturday. It will be almost 6 weeks from delivery.


I don't know what to think about the whole thing. But I will definitely never buy CPO from Tesla again, and quite frankly I am questioning whether I should ever buy another Tesla at all.
For $70K I would have bought a very nice beamer, and would have received excellent customer service from a very reputable auto maker.
I paid $70K for a car that, and lets all be honest with each other here, is severely lacking on the inside. But, we are all ok with it because it drives amazing, and we all buy into the company and its mission as a whole. For me though, this touchy feely crap only goes a certain distance. Once I started getting treated like dirt, and spent my commutes alongside a lot of dirt, reality set in that I've been conned.

I would still love to be able to get my money back and give this dirt pile back.
 
Ill try to keep this short and to the point. I'll also keep names out of it as I really do not intend to cause anyone any harm.

First of all, I love Tesla. An amazing company that makes a kick ass car led by a true visionary.
For most of the past 10 years i've been driving different BMW's as they provide the best driving experience in my opinion -- that was until I drove a model S.

So, I spoke with a sales person at Tesla. We went over options and available CPO's.
Overall a very helpful and accommodating person.
KEY POINT:
me: I never bought a car that I haven't seen in real life, or taken out for a test drive. What guarantee is there that the car is in good shape.
him: All of our CPO cars go through the rigorous Tesla certification process and have passed the Tesla quality standards in terms of esthetics and function.

This was enough of an explanation for me. it made sense. If its good enough for Tesla, its sure as hell good enough for me.

So, I bought a sexy white MS85D with 40K miles. All i saw was a photo of the car in what looked like a tesla workshop of some sort. I was referred to the nearest service center to my location (4 hours away) who were supposed to handle the delivery

Theres a bit of a mini-fiasco story with the delivery but lets skip that to keep this post on point. All i'll say is that after the papers were signed via overnight fedex back and forth (and people were super nice and friendly too) it felt like they forgot about me and sounded very annoyed every time I called to ask about when the car is getting delivered. Apparently it was being delayed because of the necessary detailing that had to be done.


Delivery:
delivery was in the late afternoon on a dark and gloomy day.
Took the car, signed the papers. Truck left.
I immediately call to ask about the cleanliness of the car. I was told that as a CPO it is within the Tesla standards.

Next day, in the sunlight, I had a better look at the car. and thats when I realized just how bad the car's condition is.
Issues:
- Headliner in TERRIBLE condition, Truly disgusting
- Steering wheel leather has what appears to be permanent damage. Maybe its just
- Blemish / paint chip on the front of the hood
- Leather seats have dark streaks of what looks like oil / grease stains
- Dirt and gravel pretty much everywhere.
- The rear trunk center storage compartment (requires lifting the trunk floor) has dirt and gravel, some weird clothing item, and most revoltingly a dental hygiene tool (an interdental floss -- is it used?? I hate to even consider the thought)
- Headliner is peeling and coming off in a couple of areas
- Center console has 2 deep gouges in it.

Other issues:
- BT audio connectivity SUCKS ( i have had to do a soft reset a total of 9 times now in 5 weeks).
- Wheels need alignment. The autopilot blue steering wheel looks funny at an 11 o'clock position when driving in a straight line.

Obviously I called and raised hell with the service dept. Sent them the photos. they apologize and say "let me see what I can do and ill call you back."
No call back, so I call next day. " Whats the update?"
"We are still looking into it, give me until the end of the day."
Car was delivered Monday. By Friday absolutely nothing was done. Each and every day I was told "I'll get right back to you with a way to correct this."
So, I call and tell them that ill take it to a local Auto detail specialist and get it cleaned up. Detail guy says headliner is beyond repair.
I call back and give the service team the update on Saturday. Service guy says "ok, we will have to send a truck to pick it up and bring it here. We will provide a loaner while we work on your car. Let me call you monday when my manager gets here to get it set up for you."
Monday comes. Nothing. Late afternoon I call the sales guy I bought the car from. "Hello -- Here's he deal, if this car was in a dealership there is no way in hell i would have bought it. I trusted you and the company when you said it is within the Tesla quality standards being a CPO car. whats the return policy on the car? and don't worry, i'll purchase another CPO, I just don't want this one"
"There is no return policy. The car is in good shape. Just cause you don't like it, does not mean you can return it."
"i'll send you the pictures, then lets talk about the Tesla quality standards"

I sent the pics, with a written request to return the car and to have my money back.
this was 4 weeks ago. I have sent him maybe 4-5 other emails and called about 4-5 as well. Have not heard back from Mr. Sales guy.

The service team eventually got back Tuesday. "We are working on the details on the loaner give us a couple of days."
I call Friday "no movement yet. Please be patient"
Another week goes by with absolutely nothing happening. Dodging my phone calls, everyone is in a meeting, and people are getting sick all of a sudden. I called Tesla headquarters in CA. they say all they can do is have the service center in charge of the car handle the problem. But, they will send it over to the escalations department. they recommended I speak with the manager in the service department but refuse to say his name.


On a Monday I get in touch with the manager. Super rude individual.
verbatim : "We are not sending a truck to pick your car up -- it is too expensive."
My reply was : "you know whats too expensive? paying $70K for a car with black and brown grease marks all over, a peeling headliner, and dental hygiene products in the trunk."
He insists that its too expensive to send a truck to pickup the car and provide a loaner. He said the best he can do is fix it in a Tesla approved body shop, and order the parts necessary and have it sent there. And they will arrange for a Luxury rental from Enterprise.
I explain to him that if the repairs take a month, and I have already been dealing with a month, then I will have paid for a car that I am completely unhappy with for 2 months -- thats not cool. And who wants to pay for a Tesla and then drive a car with an ICE and have to put gas and stuff..??
All he could do is send the mobile unit to fix the issues, scheduled on Friday, which will be 25 days from delivery.

Mobile unit gets here, the poor guy is shocked. He takes photos, all the while shaking his head. Says there is no way this can be done in the field. Recommends the car be sent back. this was 10 days ago.

Despite the recommendation from the mobile unit, it took the service team a whole week to give me straight answer about sending a loaner and picking my car up.
this is supposed to happen by Saturday. It will be almost 6 weeks from delivery.


I don't know what to think about the whole thing. But I will definitely never buy CPO from Tesla again, and quite frankly I am questioning whether I should ever buy another Tesla at all.
For $70K I would have bought a very nice beamer, and would have received excellent customer service from a very reputable auto maker.
I paid $70K for a car that, and lets all be honest with each other here, is severely lacking on the inside. But, we are all ok with it because it drives amazing, and we all buy into the company and its mission as a whole. For me though, this touchy feely crap only goes a certain distance. Once I started getting treated like dirt, and spent my commutes alongside a lot of dirt, reality set in that I've been conned.

I would still love to be able to get my money back and give this dirt pile back.
Hey man!!! You are a lucky guy!!! Elon Musk Just answered to Tesla Tidbits Tweet about your post here!!!!
Let us know if it will end with a brand new Model S for free
 
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UPDATE:

I am happy to report that Tesla agreed to take the car back and give me a full refund.
They sent a loaner and took my car.
They gave me the option of CPO’ing my car for real and giving it back, with a promise that I’ll love it this time.
I’m opting for the refund.

The damage:
-I installed a wall socket in my garage just for it. Maybe it will find use one day. Maybe I’ll put another dryer there. Maybe it will just serve as a reminder to be less trusting.
- 5 weeks of aggravation.
- having to write the first post in this thread. I’m not exactly happy about doing this. But I felt I exhausted all other options.
- last and perhaps most upsetting, is that I now have a loaner and it is an awesome car, and driving it this morning solidified my decision to opt for the refund. The one I had just wasn’t a normal MS. It drove different, felt different and definitely looked very different. The damage is that I just can’t get myself to get another one, or even think about it. And it really is an awesome car. Maybe this will change with time.


I also requested that if I get another Tesla I wouldn’t ever deal with the SC i dealt with and they even agreed to that.

So all in all, despite the horrible experience, in my book they did the best thing they can do in a very unfortunate situation. Hopefully more of that coming from the company in the future. Much appreciated.

And to anyone that said that the fault is mine - i wholeheartedly agree. I should have inspected it properly on delivery. This in no way absolves them from trying to unload a crappy car on me. Nor does it excuse the way I was treated afterwards. Tesla needs some time to reflect and do some soul searching, and maybe a little housekeeping.

They pick up the loaner tomorrow.

I may ask them to come pick it up from the BMW dealership while I’m getting my new ride just for laughs. JK

For real though, probably going for the X5 e (one of them)

Enjoy your Tesla’s everyone!!!!

Cheers


Good things got sorted. I would agree that a non Tesla brand is a good choice at this time. Although, it will take a lot more for me to get out of Tesla. Also, I had an X5 and hated every minute of it