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With that experience, it's clear that the OP's service center couldn't care less about their customers. Don't let them take it to a body shop - if the body shop messes up, you have yet another party to deal with. No, Tesla needs to take responsibility. I'd demand to trade it for a different CPO from a different service center - and I'd be scared to allow that SC to touch my car again.

Sounds like the OP's nearest service center is unfortunately sub-par and has no concept of what service means. They are tarnishing Tesla's brand image. In contrast, I have consistently experienced an absolutely stunning level of service at my service center. I've never been treated so well by any other company. In fact I've gotten so spoiled by how great they treat their customers that my next car is all but guaranteed to be a Tesla.

Based on the OP's account there are clearly some "bad apples" though, so Tesla corporate seriously needs to take care of them at once! Re-staff that SC with professionals who really care about providing an outstanding experience, like the ones I've been fortunate to deal with.
 
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I want to take a moment to post my experience with a Tesla CPO purchase.
I am in Texas, this state has a very powerful lobby, and it vehemently opposed to Tesla Selling direct to customers and not through a Dealer. With that in mind, I'll just say many of the problems were caused by the State policies.
I can tell you that the unit I purchased was in Ohio, not Texas. Tesla told me it would take about 6 weeks to get it Certified and detailed, it actually took 10 weeks. Two weeks of that period was due to me not being able to pick up the car for personal matters.
I went to the local Tesla facility in Dallas with my wife and we inspected the car thoroughly.
That afternoon we complete the transaction and send everything via FEDEX to TESLA.
Tesla did a very good job on the car, they also sent me a summary detail of all that was done, and as an apology for the delay in delivery they provided me with my next annual maintenance (due in November) FREE.
I could not be more pleased, it is a wonderful automobile, the price was right and the four year basic warranty along with the extra drive train and battery warranty, and the lifetime supercharger, make it a great deal.
In all my dealings with TESLA (97% by e-mail out of state) all issues were addressed and solved immediately.
I suggest that you follow the escalation of your issues, for what I see, they are legitimate. Collect all your evidence and calmly, I am sure, you will come to a satisfactory resolution.
Let us all know here how it finalize, I have confidence that you will find the right person who can make it all well for you.
Best regards,
Carlos
 
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omfg, is that gum in the 12v outlet?
KILL IT WITH FIRE
 
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OP- this really sucks. I hope you get resolution ASAP!

Side note...if Musk is sleeping on the factory floor he is not managing Sales and Service. He really needs to spend on Sales and Service to make Tesla great. Hire good people and hold middle managers (service center managers) accountable for the crap service they're providing.

I'm sad to say that right now, owning a tesla is awesome, just pray you don't need any kind of service.
 
OP- this really sucks. I hope you get resolution ASAP!

Side note...if Musk is sleeping on the factory floor he is not managing Sales and Service. He really needs to spend on Sales and Service to make Tesla great. Hire good people and hold middle managers (service center managers) accountable for the crap service they're providing.

I'm sad to say that right now, owning a tesla is awesome, just pray you don't need any kind of service.

They should hire whoever manages the CPO Program, for Mercedes, Audi, or Porsche because all 3 of them run an outstanding CPO program that makes them a bunch of money while delivering cars in immaculate condition that make their customers happy.
 
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I feel your pain. My experience with Tesla have been wonderful so I suspect this is something that is not standard practice nationwide. This said, I believe buying a used Tesla from a private party wherein you can inspect the car at your convenience, get all maintenance/service records and negotiate may be a good way to go rather than Tesla's CPO.
 
I feel your pain. My experience with Tesla have been wonderful so I suspect this is something that is not standard practice nationwide. This said, I believe buying a used Tesla from a private party wherein you can inspect the car at your convenience, get all maintenance/service records and negotiate may be a good way to go rather than Tesla's CPO.

It's almost ironic you said the words "standard practice nationwide" because that's what they have now done, where the OP's experience is now the policy, as cars are no longer refurbished. So they did not make the experience better but made up a policy where all they promise is a car that functions mechanically.
 
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Toothslayer,
Like many others i am totally appalled by the lack of response to your situation. Tesla (a company whose products i really love--I have owned a MS 90D for 18 months now and i am still excited every time i get to drive it!) should have corrected all of the things that you mentioned without question. IMO, you should not have to do anything to bring the car back to true "Certified" condition.
I read most of the posts here but did not see a reference to one additional source of assistance--your local TV station's consumer advocate. (Apologies if this suggestion was already mentioned in one of the pages i did not read...)
You may want to contact the consumer protection person at your local (NYC?) network (NBC, ABC, CBS) affiliate, tell (and show) them what has happened, and ask them if they can help you. I am sure that Tesla does not need (or want) any more negative publicity regarding its products or service. It is a shame that Tesla may be more responsive to a media outlet than they are to an individual consumer, but unfortunately, in this case, that may be true.
Most important, i sincerely hope that once this gets resolved you can begin to really enjoy your Tesla--as i and so many others do.
It is truly a very special car.
Good luck and please let all of us know how things work out.
 
Regarding the new CPO program, the idea is to make CPOs more affordable, more available and accessible much faster. While any deposit is allegedly non-refundable, I agree with most folks here that I would sign nothing without seeing the car in person.

Here's what I got from my local Tesla Remarketing Manager regarding the new program...

Condition

1) All vehicles will have a clean vehicle history (no claims or accidents)
2) All vehicles will go through a detailed 70 point mechanical inspection
3) All vehicles will have normal wear and tear for the age/mileage (no cosmetic repairs)
4) All vehicles will be washed and vacuumed before pickup

Warranty

1) Battery and Drive Units
a. 8 years and unlimited km from the original delivery date​
2) Defective Parts and Workmanship (one of the following – depending on the vehicle age/mileage)
a. 4 years or 80,000 km from your delivery date
b. 2 years or 40,000 km from your delivery date
Regards
 
Man this just hurt to read...so sorry you went through this...and are still going through it. I wish I could be one of the guys that say this is just an anomaly from Tesla and not the standard...BUT... I just bought a brand new Tesla and I am so very disappointed with the company thus far. Delivery was 3/20 (3/27 actual pick up) and still NO PAPERS or title for registration. I paid cash (huge mistake) and multiple phone calls just like yours "we will handle this immediately and call you back to confirm paperwork is in the mail". Then nothing. I believe the company is done. It may cook on a little further out of brand loyalty, but just too many of these stories and experiences. Several of my friends have asked what I think about the car as I'm one of the first in my area to have one, at least in my "group". All I say is "car is wonderful, company is not". DO not even THINK of buying from these guys... Maybe the bigger markets in CA are solid, but spreading out across the country- more and more of these kind of stories...

I'm not saying great service doesn't happen- but Toothsayer hasn't seen it. I haven't seen it. When I was waiting on my car in production, I called the nearest SC in Atlanta to get some info and talk to someone in service. Had a good conversation with the head of service there. I asked him if they were busy handling M3 deliveries and how was that going. He went on a rant about how "unrealistic and poorly informed" the new M3 owners are- how they should know they don't get loaner cars and they should understand that panel gaps and other issues are just part of a brand new car launch... I listened to him and thought "dude, these are the new Tesla buyers". This is their first experience with you guys. If most of your time is spent telling them "no" and "you can't have that" and "that is not a problem even though you think it is"...you are creating HUGE negative experiences with folks.

As Warren Buffet says, a company dealing with ANY sort of customer needs to constantly think of ways to DELIGHT their customers. Not merely satisfy them. Tesla needs to learn that a customer's delight must go beyond driving their cars. For better or worse in includes ALL customer contact with the company in any way...including buying CPO cars, new cars, energy, etc... My experience with Tesla is simply this...nobody is minding the store. You get what you get and you better not pitch a fit.
 
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Toothslayer,
Like many others i am totally appalled by the lack of response to your situation. Tesla (a company whose products i really love--I have owned a MS 90D for 18 months now and i am still excited every time i get to drive it!) should have corrected all of the things that you mentioned without question. IMO, you should not have to do anything to bring the car back to true "Certified" condition.
I read most of the posts here but did not see a reference to one additional source of assistance--your local TV station's consumer advocate. (Apologies if this suggestion was already mentioned in one of the pages i did not read...)
You may want to contact the consumer protection person at your local (NYC?) network (NBC, ABC, CBS) affiliate, tell (and show) them what has happened, and ask them if they can help you. I am sure that Tesla does not need (or want) any more negative publicity regarding its products or service. It is a shame that Tesla may be more responsive to a media outlet than they are to an individual consumer, but unfortunately, in this case, that may be true.
Most important, i sincerely hope that once this gets resolved you can begin to really enjoy your Tesla--as i and so many others do.
It is truly a very special car.
Good luck and please let all of us know how things work out.
I think you missed the part where Tesla was working with him to make things right.
 
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I think you missed the part where Tesla was working with him to make things right.

Must have... But as you can see from my post, I mostly described my own experience with the company thus far, which echoes to some degree the OP's initial experiences in terms of lack of ACTION on behalf of Tesla in response to legitimate issues. And offered condolences to a stranger who's reported experiences sounded painful.

We all participate on these forums for various reasons- mostly to share our opinions and experiences and ideas. And it is easier to relate problems than good things for some reason (being human I guess). But in the end, most of us really care about what Tesla seems to want to do in the auto biz, and wish they could get the customer service part right. And maybe fix the cars, too...
 
Regarding the new CPO program, the idea is to make CPOs more affordable, more available and accessible much faster. While any deposit is allegedly non-refundable, I agree with most folks here that I would sign nothing without seeing the car in person.

Here's what I got from my local Tesla Remarketing Manager regarding the new program...

Condition

1) All vehicles will have a clean vehicle history (no claims or accidents)
2) All vehicles will go through a detailed 70 point mechanical inspection
3) All vehicles will have normal wear and tear for the age/mileage (no cosmetic repairs)
4) All vehicles will be washed and vacuumed before pickup

Warranty

1) Battery and Drive Units
a. 8 years and unlimited km from the original delivery date​
2) Defective Parts and Workmanship (one of the following – depending on the vehicle age/mileage)
a. 4 years or 80,000 km from your delivery date
b. 2 years or 40,000 km from your delivery date
Regards

From what I can see, the used cars they sell are neither "affordable, more available or accessible much faster." The primary goal of this policy seems to be to pass the cost of vehicles damaged/trashed by the loaner program to people buying used cars. They are selling 3-4 year old cars for nearly $100K without offering any refurbishment or photos of the car they are selling.
 
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Ill try to keep this short and to the point. I'll also keep names out of it as I really do not intend to cause anyone any harm.

First of all, I love Tesla. An amazing company that makes a kick ass car led by a true visionary.
For most of the past 10 years i've been driving different BMW's as they provide the best driving experience in my opinion -- that was until I drove a model S.

So, I spoke with a sales person at Tesla. We went over options and available CPO's.
Overall a very helpful and accommodating person.
KEY POINT:
me: I never bought a car that I haven't seen in real life, or taken out for a test drive. What guarantee is there that the car is in good shape.
him: All of our CPO cars go through the rigorous Tesla certification process and have passed the Tesla quality standards in terms of esthetics and function.

This was enough of an explanation for me. it made sense. If its good enough for Tesla, its sure as hell good enough for me.

So, I bought a sexy white MS85D with 40K miles. All i saw was a photo of the car in what looked like a tesla workshop of some sort. I was referred to the nearest service center to my location (4 hours away) who were supposed to handle the delivery

Theres a bit of a mini-fiasco story with the delivery but lets skip that to keep this post on point. All i'll say is that after the papers were signed via overnight fedex back and forth (and people were super nice and friendly too) it felt like they forgot about me and sounded very annoyed every time I called to ask about when the car is getting delivered. Apparently it was being delayed because of the necessary detailing that had to be done.


Delivery:
delivery was in the late afternoon on a dark and gloomy day.
Took the car, signed the papers. Truck left.
I immediately call to ask about the cleanliness of the car. I was told that as a CPO it is within the Tesla standards.

Next day, in the sunlight, I had a better look at the car. and thats when I realized just how bad the car's condition is.
Issues:
- Headliner in TERRIBLE condition, Truly disgusting
- Steering wheel leather has what appears to be permanent damage. Maybe its just
- Blemish / paint chip on the front of the hood
- Leather seats have dark streaks of what looks like oil / grease stains
- Dirt and gravel pretty much everywhere.
- The rear trunk center storage compartment (requires lifting the trunk floor) has dirt and gravel, some weird clothing item, and most revoltingly a dental hygiene tool (an interdental floss -- is it used?? I hate to even consider the thought)
- Headliner is peeling and coming off in a couple of areas
- Center console has 2 deep gouges in it.

Other issues:
- BT audio connectivity SUCKS ( i have had to do a soft reset a total of 9 times now in 5 weeks).
- Wheels need alignment. The autopilot blue steering wheel looks funny at an 11 o'clock position when driving in a straight line.

Obviously I called and raised hell with the service dept. Sent them the photos. they apologize and say "let me see what I can do and ill call you back."
No call back, so I call next day. " Whats the update?"
"We are still looking into it, give me until the end of the day."
Car was delivered Monday. By Friday absolutely nothing was done. Each and every day I was told "I'll get right back to you with a way to correct this."
So, I call and tell them that ill take it to a local Auto detail specialist and get it cleaned up. Detail guy says headliner is beyond repair.
I call back and give the service team the update on Saturday. Service guy says "ok, we will have to send a truck to pick it up and bring it here. We will provide a loaner while we work on your car. Let me call you monday when my manager gets here to get it set up for you."
Monday comes. Nothing. Late afternoon I call the sales guy I bought the car from. "Hello -- Here's he deal, if this car was in a dealership there is no way in hell i would have bought it. I trusted you and the company when you said it is within the Tesla quality standards being a CPO car. whats the return policy on the car? and don't worry, i'll purchase another CPO, I just don't want this one"
"There is no return policy. The car is in good shape. Just cause you don't like it, does not mean you can return it."
"i'll send you the pictures, then lets talk about the Tesla quality standards"

I sent the pics, with a written request to return the car and to have my money back.
this was 4 weeks ago. I have sent him maybe 4-5 other emails and called about 4-5 as well. Have not heard back from Mr. Sales guy.

The service team eventually got back Tuesday. "We are working on the details on the loaner give us a couple of days."
I call Friday "no movement yet. Please be patient"
Another week goes by with absolutely nothing happening. Dodging my phone calls, everyone is in a meeting, and people are getting sick all of a sudden. I called Tesla headquarters in CA. they say all they can do is have the service center in charge of the car handle the problem. But, they will send it over to the escalations department. they recommended I speak with the manager in the service department but refuse to say his name.


On a Monday I get in touch with the manager. Super rude individual.
verbatim : "We are not sending a truck to pick your car up -- it is too expensive."
My reply was : "you know whats too expensive? paying $70K for a car with black and brown grease marks all over, a peeling headliner, and dental hygiene products in the trunk."
He insists that its too expensive to send a truck to pickup the car and provide a loaner. He said the best he can do is fix it in a Tesla approved body shop, and order the parts necessary and have it sent there. And they will arrange for a Luxury rental from Enterprise.
I explain to him that if the repairs take a month, and I have already been dealing with a month, then I will have paid for a car that I am completely unhappy with for 2 months -- thats not cool. And who wants to pay for a Tesla and then drive a car with an ICE and have to put gas and stuff..??
All he could do is send the mobile unit to fix the issues, scheduled on Friday, which will be 25 days from delivery.

Mobile unit gets here, the poor guy is shocked. He takes photos, all the while shaking his head. Says there is no way this can be done in the field. Recommends the car be sent back. this was 10 days ago.

Despite the recommendation from the mobile unit, it took the service team a whole week to give me straight answer about sending a loaner and picking my car up.
this is supposed to happen by Saturday. It will be almost 6 weeks from delivery.


I don't know what to think about the whole thing. But I will definitely never buy CPO from Tesla again, and quite frankly I am questioning whether I should ever buy another Tesla at all.
For $70K I would have bought a very nice beamer, and would have received excellent customer service from a very reputable auto maker.
I paid $70K for a car that, and lets all be honest with each other here, is severely lacking on the inside. But, we are all ok with it because it drives amazing, and we all buy into the company and its mission as a whole. For me though, this touchy feely crap only goes a certain distance. Once I started getting treated like dirt, and spent my commutes alongside a lot of dirt, reality set in that I've been conned.

I would still love to be able to get my money back and give this dirt pile back.

So sorry to hear and see all this. Your photos tell the WHOLE story. Shame on Tesla for selling a car that clearly would not even be accepted by a rental company, unless it was a "Rent-A-Wreck". To make matters worse, the behavior of the personnel with whom you were in contact, is reprehensible! I do love Teslas, and have already owned 2, but really my trust in them is a bit shaken, if they cannot monitor the quality control, or be bothered to improve the oversight of a sub-standard car. However, I just would always caution anyone, not to buy a car sight unseen, even if the "halo" of "certified pre-owned" is from Tesla. Obviously bullshit
 
I would have also been incredibly disappointed! That headliner looks nasty. This is a core problem that puts Tesla at risk. The majority of us that purchased Tesla's (I've had a Model S and now have a Model X) are early(ish) adopters who put up with some issues. While I love my Model X, I've renamed it 'Queen Anne's Revenge' since it basically sounds like a pirate ship due to the number of squeaks and rattles :) but I still wouldn't trade it for anything.

However, that's me. As more mainstream buyers, who are used to high-quality autos from BMW and Mercedes, make the move to Tesla, they won't put up with it. Even people I have in the car will comment and it becomes a point of embarrassment at times given what I paid for the car. This could be a real issue for Tesla but I'm sure they'll button up quality over time.
 
Regarding the new CPO program, the idea is to make CPOs more affordable, more available and accessible much faster. While any deposit is allegedly non-refundable, I agree with most folks here that I would sign nothing without seeing the car in person.

Here's what I got from my local Tesla Remarketing Manager regarding the new program...

Condition

1) All vehicles will have a clean vehicle history (no claims or accidents)
2) All vehicles will go through a detailed 70 point mechanical inspection
3) All vehicles will have normal wear and tear for the age/mileage (no cosmetic repairs)
4) All vehicles will be washed and vacuumed before pickup

Warranty

1) Battery and Drive Units
a. 8 years and unlimited km from the original delivery date​
2) Defective Parts and Workmanship (one of the following – depending on the vehicle age/mileage)
a. 4 years or 80,000 km from your delivery date
b. 2 years or 40,000 km from your delivery date
Regards
They've changed the CPO program
Tesla stops ‘refurbishing’ its used cars ahead of big influx of leased vehicles coming back
 
Ill try to keep this short and to the point. I'll also keep names out of it as I really do not intend to cause anyone any harm.

First of all, I love Tesla. An amazing company that makes a kick ass car led by a true visionary.
For most of the past 10 years i've been driving different BMW's as they provide the best driving experience in my opinion -- that was until I drove a model S.

So, I spoke with a sales person at Tesla. We went over options and available CPO's.
Overall a very helpful and accommodating person.
KEY POINT:
me: I never bought a car that I haven't seen in real life, or taken out for a test drive. What guarantee is there that the car is in good shape.
him: All of our CPO cars go through the rigorous Tesla certification process and have passed the Tesla quality standards in terms of esthetics and function.

This was enough of an explanation for me. it made sense. If its good enough for Tesla, its sure as hell good enough for me.

So, I bought a sexy white MS85D with 40K miles. All i saw was a photo of the car in what looked like a tesla workshop of some sort. I was referred to the nearest service center to my location (4 hours away) who were supposed to handle the delivery

Theres a bit of a mini-fiasco story with the delivery but lets skip that to keep this post on point. All i'll say is that after the papers were signed via overnight fedex back and forth (and people were super nice and friendly too) it felt like they forgot about me and sounded very annoyed every time I called to ask about when the car is getting delivered. Apparently it was being delayed because of the necessary detailing that had to be done.


Delivery:
delivery was in the late afternoon on a dark and gloomy day.
Took the car, signed the papers. Truck left.
I immediately call to ask about the cleanliness of the car. I was told that as a CPO it is within the Tesla standards.

Next day, in the sunlight, I had a better look at the car. and thats when I realized just how bad the car's condition is.
Issues:
- Headliner in TERRIBLE condition, Truly disgusting
- Steering wheel leather has what appears to be permanent damage. Maybe its just
- Blemish / paint chip on the front of the hood
- Leather seats have dark streaks of what looks like oil / grease stains
- Dirt and gravel pretty much everywhere.
- The rear trunk center storage compartment (requires lifting the trunk floor) has dirt and gravel, some weird clothing item, and most revoltingly a dental hygiene tool (an interdental floss -- is it used?? I hate to even consider the thought)
- Headliner is peeling and coming off in a couple of areas
- Center console has 2 deep gouges in it.

Other issues:
- BT audio connectivity SUCKS ( i have had to do a soft reset a total of 9 times now in 5 weeks).
- Wheels need alignment. The autopilot blue steering wheel looks funny at an 11 o'clock position when driving in a straight line.

Obviously I called and raised hell with the service dept. Sent them the photos. they apologize and say "let me see what I can do and ill call you back."
No call back, so I call next day. " Whats the update?"
"We are still looking into it, give me until the end of the day."
Car was delivered Monday. By Friday absolutely nothing was done. Each and every day I was told "I'll get right back to you with a way to correct this."
So, I call and tell them that ill take it to a local Auto detail specialist and get it cleaned up. Detail guy says headliner is beyond repair.
I call back and give the service team the update on Saturday. Service guy says "ok, we will have to send a truck to pick it up and bring it here. We will provide a loaner while we work on your car. Let me call you monday when my manager gets here to get it set up for you."
Monday comes. Nothing. Late afternoon I call the sales guy I bought the car from. "Hello -- Here's he deal, if this car was in a dealership there is no way in hell i would have bought it. I trusted you and the company when you said it is within the Tesla quality standards being a CPO car. whats the return policy on the car? and don't worry, i'll purchase another CPO, I just don't want this one"
"There is no return policy. The car is in good shape. Just cause you don't like it, does not mean you can return it."
"i'll send you the pictures, then lets talk about the Tesla quality standards"

I sent the pics, with a written request to return the car and to have my money back.
this was 4 weeks ago. I have sent him maybe 4-5 other emails and called about 4-5 as well. Have not heard back from Mr. Sales guy.

The service team eventually got back Tuesday. "We are working on the details on the loaner give us a couple of days."
I call Friday "no movement yet. Please be patient"
Another week goes by with absolutely nothing happening. Dodging my phone calls, everyone is in a meeting, and people are getting sick all of a sudden. I called Tesla headquarters in CA. they say all they can do is have the service center in charge of the car handle the problem. But, they will send it over to the escalations department. they recommended I speak with the manager in the service department but refuse to say his name.


On a Monday I get in touch with the manager. Super rude individual.
verbatim : "We are not sending a truck to pick your car up -- it is too expensive."
My reply was : "you know whats too expensive? paying $70K for a car with black and brown grease marks all over, a peeling headliner, and dental hygiene products in the trunk."
He insists that its too expensive to send a truck to pickup the car and provide a loaner. He said the best he can do is fix it in a Tesla approved body shop, and order the parts necessary and have it sent there. And they will arrange for a Luxury rental from Enterprise.
I explain to him that if the repairs take a month, and I have already been dealing with a month, then I will have paid for a car that I am completely unhappy with for 2 months -- thats not cool. And who wants to pay for a Tesla and then drive a car with an ICE and have to put gas and stuff..??
All he could do is send the mobile unit to fix the issues, scheduled on Friday, which will be 25 days from delivery.

Mobile unit gets here, the poor guy is shocked. He takes photos, all the while shaking his head. Says there is no way this can be done in the field. Recommends the car be sent back. this was 10 days ago.

Despite the recommendation from the mobile unit, it took the service team a whole week to give me straight answer about sending a loaner and picking my car up.
this is supposed to happen by Saturday. It will be almost 6 weeks from delivery.


I don't know what to think about the whole thing. But I will definitely never buy CPO from Tesla again, and quite frankly I am questioning whether I should ever buy another Tesla at all.
For $70K I would have bought a very nice beamer, and would have received excellent customer service from a very reputable auto maker.
I paid $70K for a car that, and lets all be honest with each other here, is severely lacking on the inside. But, we are all ok with it because it drives amazing, and we all buy into the company and its mission as a whole. For me though, this touchy feely crap only goes a certain distance. Once I started getting treated like dirt, and spent my commutes alongside a lot of dirt, reality set in that I've been conned.

I would still love to be able to get my money back and give this dirt pile back.

I looked at CPOs from Chevrolet once. As the salesman was bragging about their 140 point inspection, I turned on the windshield wipers and they would just go up and down 1 inch. He apologized but needless to say, I didn’t buy the car.

That being said, I would buy a CPO Tesla because I think they would be better than a dealership. Of course there are always exceptions as this person noted.
 
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