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California Utilities Plan All Out War On Solar, Please Read And Help
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I would argue that the fees should not just apply to solar customers, but all customers.
In Australia you utility corresponds ro Retail and Network charges, these are both around 30% of a customer's bill.
So for a $0.25 AUD per KWh residential tariff, at least $0,15 per kWh is utility charges.
The approach they are trying in Australia is:-
reneweconomy.com.au
In both cases the common theme is giving solar customers for special treatment, not doing wider tariff reform.
I don't think utilities want visibility of their overheads and profit margins..
The only issue with tariff reform is, low income earners, who are low consumers of electricity, might be disadvantaged.
But there are ways of charging everyone else a bit more, and compensating low income earners..
There are reasons why the utilities don't want to have this conversation, and don't want tariff reform.,.
Giving solar customers special treatment, and hoping that discourages solar, is the easy path for them, but it isn't far or transparent.
Fair and transparent is, all customers are treated the same...
Good luck...
In Australia you utility corresponds ro Retail and Network charges, these are both around 30% of a customer's bill.
So for a $0.25 AUD per KWh residential tariff, at least $0,15 per kWh is utility charges.
The approach they are trying in Australia is:-
Victoria, Tesla and Enphase line up against proposed solar export tax
Solar tax criticised by Tesla and Enphase, the makers of battery technologies the proposal is supposed to support, while networks baulk at removing zero export limits.
reneweconomy.com.au
In both cases the common theme is giving solar customers for special treatment, not doing wider tariff reform.
I don't think utilities want visibility of their overheads and profit margins..
The only issue with tariff reform is, low income earners, who are low consumers of electricity, might be disadvantaged.
But there are ways of charging everyone else a bit more, and compensating low income earners..
There are reasons why the utilities don't want to have this conversation, and don't want tariff reform.,.
Giving solar customers special treatment, and hoping that discourages solar, is the easy path for them, but it isn't far or transparent.
Fair and transparent is, all customers are treated the same...
Good luck...
Damn …
I cannot believe the CPUC is siding with that E3 avoided cost calculator. Get ready for your off peak solar generation to get you $0.03 per kWh…
www.solarpowerworldonline.com
Lol they’ll probably charge you $10,000 for the privilege of disconnecting your service.
I cannot believe the CPUC is siding with that E3 avoided cost calculator. Get ready for your off peak solar generation to get you $0.03 per kWh…
CPUC to vote on updated solar "Avoided Cost Calculator" on June 24
Solar advocates are strongly opposed to these changes and are urging the CPUC to pull back the resolution and eliminate the updates.
www.solarpowerworldonline.com
Lol they’ll probably charge you $10,000 for the privilege of disconnecting your service.
nwdiver
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That didn't really answer the question....and do you have a link?
I've seen language that seeks to removed or drastically shorten the grandfathering period for NEM3, but I don't think they could even propose retroactively modifying NEM2. That ship has already sailed. You can be that if they try to take our 20 years away from NEM2 customers, there will be a massive uprising. It's one thing to make it worse for those who aren't benefitting yet. It's another thing entirely to try and and destroy and investments already made those that used the existing provisions in the law to make that decision.
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Well youir NEM would only last until 2024 under the AB1139 bill. AB1139 failed with a tie vote, but it is AB1139 language that the utilities are pushing the CPUC to pass.
AB 1139: Reforms to California Alternate Rates for Energy (CARE) program and Net Energy Metering (NEM)
On February 18, 2021, Assembly Member Lorena Gonzalez introduced AB 1139 to amend Public Utilities Code Section 739.1, repeal Sections 2827 and 2827.7, and repeal and add Section 2827. These amendm…
epicenergyblog.com
The proposed language removes existing protections for existing NEM customers who interconnected under the original (NEM 1.0) or the successor NEM tariff (NEM 2.0 and interconnection agreements). The following provides the language that will change current grandfathering under the last CPUC NEM decision (D.16-01-044) in 2016. Any customer self-generator that previously began service under a net energy metering contract or tariff prior to January 1, 2022, may continue to take service under that contract or tariff as follows:
| Original Date of Interconnection | Sunset of Existing Tariff/Interconnection Agreement on: |
| Prior to January 1, 2014 | Then may continue to take service under that contract or tariff until July 1, 2022. |
| After January 1, 2014 but prior to January 1, 2017 | Then may continue to take service under that contract or tariff until July 1, 2023. |
| After January 1, 2017 but prior to January 1, 2022 | Then may continue to take service under that contract or tariff until July 1, 2024. |
Well youir NEM would only last until 2024 under the AB1139 bill. AB1139 failed with a tie vote, but it is AB1139 language that the utilities are pushing the CPUC to pass.
AB 1139: Reforms to California Alternate Rates for Energy (CARE) program and Net Energy Metering (NEM)
On February 18, 2021, Assembly Member Lorena Gonzalez introduced AB 1139 to amend Public Utilities Code Section 739.1, repeal Sections 2827 and 2827.7, and repeal and add Section 2827. These amendm…
The proposed language removes existing protections for existing NEM customers who interconnected under the original (NEM 1.0) or the successor NEM tariff (NEM 2.0 and interconnection agreements). The following provides the language that will change current grandfathering under the last CPUC NEM decision (D.16-01-044) in 2016. Any customer self-generator that previously began service under a net energy metering contract or tariff prior to January 1, 2022, may continue to take service under that contract or tariff as follows:
Original Date of Interconnection Sunset of Existing Tariff/Interconnection Agreement on: Prior to January 1, 2014 Then may continue to take service under that contract or tariff until July 1, 2022. After January 1, 2014 but prior to January 1, 2017 Then may continue to take service under that contract or tariff until July 1, 2023. After January 1, 2017 but prior to January 1, 2022 Then may continue to take service under that contract or tariff until July 1, 2024.
Those provisions were removed in the amended bill on May 4th, 2021. If they're somehow still in there but sneaking by so that nobody sees them, can you please be very explicit and help me connect the dots?
The AB1139 is past news at this point. I was just pointing out the direction that the utilities are planning to push the CPUC. It is clearly in the utilities wishes. Some years ago in Nevada, or was it Arizona? The commission cancelled the grandfathered contracts. It tool a lawsuit to reinstate the grandfathered contracts. so, in any event, believe me, your NEM2 is at risk. Everything is on the table right now.
There's no need for that. If the utilities had their way, we'd ALL have solar on their side of our meters and get charged the market rate for every kwh solar customers generate.
But in fairness, you made it sound like the "current" proposed language when in fact it wasn't.
Merrill
Merrill
Can someone explain the advocates of AB1139 why they believe those without solar have to pay more every time someone adds rooftop solar? What's the rational? Is it that they make less profit on those with solar so they have raise the energy rates to compensate to keep from going bankrupt again due to decades of mismanaging the grid?
Do those AB1139 proponents not realize that the higher the adoption rate, the less the grid has to grow to keep up with rising demand for electricity that is now being driven by electric car adoption. Eventually most will have EVs that they charge at home and leaf distributed power generation is the one thing that will keep the grid from having to grow with the increased consumption of electricity?
Are they taking these longer term consequences into account or simply taking the argument at face value that the utilities have to raise rates to compensate for making less profit of those with solar?
That's pretty much it. The latter is what this is all about. Those with solar are causing utilities to raise rates which has a disproportionate impact on those without solar.
Merrill
Merrill
I do not agree, just look at the profit each California utility has each year they will never make enough money.
Excess would still be next to worthless. They want to make it so the kWh you generate under NEM at noon is $0.03 before you even measure the excess at true up.
LeeM
Member
CPUC voted to cook the books on rooftop solar. Despite another notable display of grassroots support for solar, the CPUC unanimously approved changes to the methodology they use to calculate the value of rooftop solar, as compared to large-scale renewable energy. The changes reduce the value of rooftop solar down to 1/3 of the previous value and sets the stage for the CPUC to gut net metering later this year.
Over 7,000 people submitted a written comment against the change. And that does not include the dozens of people who attended the CPUC meeting and made verbal public comments. Here is the link to the factsheet explaining the changes: Fact Sheet and Alert to stop CPUC from gutting the value of rooftop solar
Here is what is NEXT:
The CPUC won't make a final decision on net metering until the end of the year. But there's no doubt our fight just got harder. That said, we have always known that the CPUC are unelected, unaccountable political appointees and that Governor Newsom will be the real decider in this fight. This week's CPUC decision clarifies that.
How we will hold Gov Newsom responsible?
Let's collect 200K public comments Tell Newsom to stand up for solar consumers https://savecaliforniasolar.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4161a4d9a13e459864a79e966&id=b8597bf55e&e=f4cf1ef7f9
It's time to focus on Governor Newsom! FLOOD HIS PHONE LINES! Make phone calls to the Governor - by the hundreds, every week, through the summer and fall. Stop the #UtilityProfitGrab
Help win over the local media. The campaign notched some early wins with positive editorials and opinion pieces in the LA Times, Fresno Bee, and Cal Matters. We used good information and fact sheets (see link above) to make our case. We now must step it up and generate TV, radio, and newspaper coverage across the state focused on this fight and the stakes for every Californian.
Please share with friends/family and other organizations you might belong to. Thank you so much for all you do to make the world a better place for everyone!
Over 7,000 people submitted a written comment against the change. And that does not include the dozens of people who attended the CPUC meeting and made verbal public comments. Here is the link to the factsheet explaining the changes: Fact Sheet and Alert to stop CPUC from gutting the value of rooftop solar
Here is what is NEXT:
The CPUC won't make a final decision on net metering until the end of the year. But there's no doubt our fight just got harder. That said, we have always known that the CPUC are unelected, unaccountable political appointees and that Governor Newsom will be the real decider in this fight. This week's CPUC decision clarifies that.
How we will hold Gov Newsom responsible?
Let's collect 200K public comments Tell Newsom to stand up for solar consumers https://savecaliforniasolar.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4161a4d9a13e459864a79e966&id=b8597bf55e&e=f4cf1ef7f9
It's time to focus on Governor Newsom! FLOOD HIS PHONE LINES! Make phone calls to the Governor - by the hundreds, every week, through the summer and fall. Stop the #UtilityProfitGrab
Help win over the local media. The campaign notched some early wins with positive editorials and opinion pieces in the LA Times, Fresno Bee, and Cal Matters. We used good information and fact sheets (see link above) to make our case. We now must step it up and generate TV, radio, and newspaper coverage across the state focused on this fight and the stakes for every Californian.
Please share with friends/family and other organizations you might belong to. Thank you so much for all you do to make the world a better place for everyone!
LeeM
Member
This week, Clean Coalition hosted a webinar with deeply informative presentations outlining how local distributed energy reduces the high cost of long-distance power lines. It is a great webinar and I highly recommend giving this a watch; it will take your knowledge of the issue to another level. Webinar: Local clean energy generation or remote — who wins the battle? – Wednesday 23 Jun 2021 - Clean Coalition
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