Climate Change Denial

[FlatSix911]

Top review on Amazon from the United States:
"The current green movement is a deeply anti-humanistic death cult that must be stopped!"
Top review on Amazon from anywhere else:
"An inaccurate and misleading book about climate change
...when you check the papers to which Lomborg refers, you often find that they do not state what he claims. When I contacted some of the researchers about Lomborg's characterisation of their work, they said that their findings had been misrepresented."

Read the book and be open to different perspectives and solutions.

Top Editorial Reviews​

"Lomborg does not lack solutions. In False Alarm, he advocates a range of cost-benefit tested policies to address both climate change and global poverty.... Lomborg does a service in calling out the environmental alarmism and hysteria that obscure environmental debates rather than illuminate them."―National Review

“It’s precisely because the problem is so serious that [Lomborg] argues it is necessary to approach it cool-headedly….The alternative? In Lomborg’s view it is letting ourselves be panicked into the most expensive course—trying to fix the climate without having the necessary technology on hand. Lomborg argues powerfully that this is a fool’s errand….A corrective to many of the green assumptions that dominate the media.”
―Financial Times

"Meticulously researched, and well worth a read."―Forbes

“An excellent summary of the madness, hypocrisy, and cynicism of the climate-alarm establishment.... Lomborg has done an excellent job pointing out that climate fears are indeed a ‘false alarm,’ misdirecting time and resources away from real, and soluble, problems.”―New Criterion

"An important book. Mr. Lomborg is a long-standing environmentalist regarded as a heretic by hardliners in the movement because he is an optimist who says that humanity is not doomed."―Iain Martin, The Times (UK)

 

[MontyFloyd]

False Alarm: How Climate Change Panic Costs Us Trillions, Hurts the Poor, and Fails to Fix the Planet: Lomborg, Bjorn: 9781541647466: Amazon.com: Books

Misses the elephant in the room:
Man is poisoning the earth (CO2) at ever faster rate, and the effects of that poisoning from decades ago are just now being felt.

I use "poisoning" is a very simplified term to describe cause.

 

[Texas Electric]

The forecast La Niña pattern this winter should bring some relief to the Pac Northwest.

Another La Niña winter likely in the Northwest

This is what another La Niña winter means for snow in our area.

www.kxly.com

 

[nwdiver]

(because they disagree with you) than you are in trying to improve the well being of our civilization.

Are you really incapable of making a distinction between disagreement and being wrong?

 

[Texas Electric]

Are you really incapable of making a distinction between disagreement and being wrong?

Well, that’s the problem. Your mere belief does not make you right.

 

[nwdiver]

Well, that’s the problem. Your mere belief does not make you right.

So there’s no such thing as being wrong in your worldview?

??? So 2+2=4 is a ‘belief’? That CO2 is >400ppm is a ‘belief’? That the Earth isn’t flat is a ‘belief’? If it’s falsifiable it’s not a ‘belief’ it’s a fact. There’s no ‘disagreement’, you’re either wrong or right.

 

[Texas Electric]

So there’s no such thing as being wrong in your worldview?

??? So 2+2=4 is a ‘belief’? That CO2 is >400ppm is a ‘belief’? That the Earth isn’t flat is a ‘belief’? If it’s falsifiable it’s not a ‘belief’ it’s a fact. There’s no ‘disagreement’, you’re either wrong or right.

400 ppm CO2 is actually very little CO2. Apparently, you believe otherwise.

 

[ohmman]

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Inbreeding and generational lack of education do amazing things, look at these imbeciles trying to place a theological edict over science: Kansas evolution hearings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Isn't that how the Dark Ages got started by my Church?

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[nwdiver]

400 ppm CO2 is actually very little CO2. Apparently, you believe otherwise.

It’s a 40% increase over pre-industrial levels resulting in radiative forcing of >1.5w/m^2. The scientific consensus is that’s causing a whole host of problems and it’s only getting worse as CO2 levels rise. Facts.

If 400ppm is ‘very little’ what would ~1 part per BILLION be? ‘cause that’s all the SO2 that was needed in the upper atmosphere to cause a year w/o a summer in 1816. Screw with the radiative balance in either direction and bad things happen. Facts.

Would ingesting 0.00001g of polonium 210 be ‘very little’? There is an answer. Why would the safe level of CO2 in the atmosphere (350ppm) be any different? Facts matter.

 

[Texas Electric]

It’s a 40% increase over pre-industrial levels resulting in radiative forcing of >1.5w/m^2. The scientific consensus is that’s causing a whole host of problems and it’s only getting worse as CO2 levels rise. Facts.

If 400ppm is ‘very little’ what would ~1 part per BILLION be? ‘cause that’s all the SO2 that was needed in the upper atmosphere to cause a year w/o a summer in 1816. Screw with the radiative balance in either direction and bad things happen. Facts.

Would ingesting 0.00001g of polonium 210 be ‘very little’? There is an answer. Why would the safe level of CO2 in the atmosphere (350ppm) be any different? Facts matter.

The earth has done the CO2 experiment a long time ago. You pretend like that never happened because it destroys the idea of runaway positive feedback the alarmists believe.

 

[mspohr]

The earth has done the CO2 experiment a long time ago. You pretend like that never happened because it destroys the idea of runaway positive feedback the alarmists believe.

I don't think we're ready for another Carboniferous period.
The later half of the period experienced glaciations, low sea level, and mountain building as the continents collided to form Pangaea. A minor marine and terrestrial extinction event, the Carboniferous rainforest collapse, occurred at the end of the period, caused by climate change.[14]
Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels fell during the Carboniferous Period from roughly 8 times the current level in the beginning, to a level similar to today's at the end.[19]
The cooling and drying of the climate led to the Carboniferous Rainforest Collapse (CRC) during the late Carboniferous. Tropical rainforests fragmented and then were eventually devastated by climate change.[14]

Carboniferous - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JRP3]

The earth has done the CO2 experiment a long time ago. You pretend like that never happened because it destroys the idea of runaway positive feedback the alarmists believe.

1. There were zero humans dependent upon the environment then.
2. Rate of change matters, as I've pointed out numerous times previously, long before you popped into this thread.

In case you don't get it you haven't added a single new point to this discussion we haven't countered many times over the years. Maybe ponder that fact before you post again.

 

[nwdiver]

The earth has done the CO2 experiment a long time ago. You pretend like that never happened because it destroys the idea of runaway positive feedback the alarmists believe.

??? So anything less than making Earth Venus is win? You don’t think there will be catastrophic environmental and economic loss if warming stabilizes even at just 3C?

Earths history is WHY you’d be a moron to NOT be concerned. CO2 rising from 180 to 280 warmed the planet >4C.

 

[CyberGus]

Chicxulub got hit with a meteor, you don't see any dinosaurs complaining about it do you

 

[Texas Electric]

??? So anything less than making Earth Venus is win? You don’t think there will be catastrophic environmental and economic loss if warming stabilizes even at just 3C?

Earths history is WHY you’d be a moron to NOT be concerned. CO2 rising from 180 to 280 warmed the planet >4C.

Here is a comprehensive report on the Arctic. Cooler than normal temperatures has kept the ice melt in check in 2021. It does not appear anything catastrophic is going on. The CO2 effect is quite small.

*Arctic Sea Ice* reaches the 2021 minimum, with more ice left than in the past seven years, due to cooler weather conditions in the western Arctic

Arctic Sea Ice melt reaches the 2021 minimum, with most sea ice left than in the past 7 years, ending 12th lowest on record

www.severe-weather.eu

 

[nwdiver]

Here is a comprehensive report on the Arctic. Cooler than normal temperatures has kept the ice melt in check in 2021. It does not appear anything catastrophic is going on. The CO2 effect is quite small.

*Arctic Sea Ice* reaches the 2021 minimum, with more ice left than in the past seven years, due to cooler weather conditions in the western Arctic

Arctic Sea Ice melt reaches the 2021 minimum, with most sea ice left than in the past 7 years, ending 12th lowest on record

www.severe-weather.eu

The arctic isn’t the globe. The world is warming. If it wasn’t sea levels wouldn’t be rising. If you want catastrophes look at all the floods, droughts and fires so severe they would be statistically impossible in a cooler world. Facts matter.

So if the safe level of atmospheric CO2 is more than 350ppm… what is it? Based on what? Facts matter.

 

[Texas Electric]

The arctic isn’t the globe. The world is warming. If it wasn’t sea levels wouldn’t be rising. If you want catastrophes look at all the floods, droughts and fires so severe they would be statistically impossible in a cooler world. Facts matter.

So if the safe level of atmospheric CO2 is more than 350ppm… what is it? Based on what? Facts matter.

The Arctic is supposedly where most of the earth’s warming is occurring - during the winter when it is least important. If the Arctic warms during the summer, then that would be something to be concerned about. But that isn’t happening. Neither are fires, floods and droughts increasing.

 

[iPlug]

The Arctic is supposedly where most of the earth’s warming is occurring ... If the Arctic warms during the summer, then that would be something to be concerned about. But that isn’t happening...

As it is happening, you are concerned then? The "isn't happening" fiction continues to emerge, and so soon after we recently debunked this in the environmental section of this form.

SOTC: Sea Ice | National Snow and Ice Data Center

 

[CyberGus]

Well of COURSE the arctic is warmer than the antarctic, heat rises

 

[Texas Electric]

As it is happening, you are concerned then? The "isn't happening" fiction continues to emerge, and so soon after we recently debunked this in the environmental section of this form.

SOTC: Sea Ice | National Snow and Ice Data Center

Note how the Antarctic was rising during the past 4 decades, then it had an ice compaction event 2016-2017. The NSIDC reported on this. They said it had nothing to do with global temperatures. The wind pushed the ice back towards the continent. I can dig up the report if you want.