nwdiver
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That's kinda the point... humans are not the primary issue; It's our sick and pathetic addiction to fossil fuels that needs to go.
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That's kinda the point... humans are not the primary issue; It's our sick and pathetic addiction to fossil fuels that needs to go.
Canuck
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I didn't know Canada existed only in Alberta. And yes, I've seen (and regularly breathe) the air quality in Canada...
The view from the Cheam peak back to Vancouver. As regularly happens in summer, the air quality becomes hazy because of air pollution drifting from inland. The Fraser valley is notorious for collecting all the pollution of the lower mainland like a funnel. This is just normal summer pollution.
But,hey, we can all move to Alberta!
Ktowntslafan
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Wise words, Sir. "Greed is Good" applies only until the planet boils over. Common sense eludes us now...not sure how to get it back.
JRP3
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Hansen doesn't think much of the upcoming Paris conference: http://arstechnica.com/science/2015...fers-scathing-critique-of-obamas-paris-plans/
The best way to combat Climate Change seems to be Solar + Gird storage (color blue in graph). And the second best is in the orange part, AFOLU = The Agriculture, Forestry and Other Land Use. Main reason for deforestation is Agriculture. All direct emissions of AFOLU are from livestock and 70% to 80% of the crop is fodder.
So best way to reduce your carbon footprint: don't eat beef!
Some reason non of the environmental organization are advertising this
(You not gonna take MYh BURGERS!!!11!"!"2"½!!)
Any chance you read the link I posted above with regard to population? I'd enjoy your thoughts on that data, as it relates to your post above.
YEAH.... you drank the cool-aid I see.. The earth isn't warming up on average! Do your research! Combat climate change by having less people in the world. HAHAH.. The big solar plant in Spain just went broke.
All the climate change that is being done in Canada won't make any change at all. Furthermore, all the new taxes introduced are being sent to a climate change panel for other countries. Harper had it right. It has nothing to do with climate , rather its a way to introduce new taxes. Don't blame me I voted conservative.
All the climate change that is being done in Canada won't make any change at all. Furthermore, all the new taxes introduced are being sent to a climate change panel for other countries. Harper had it right. It has nothing to do with climate , rather its a way to introduce new taxes. Don't blame me I voted conservative.
Umm... so you didn't read it. None of this has anything to do with the piece. That's fine, but it would be more straightforward just to say you didn't go through the data because you're not into that sort of thing. Or whatever reason. But to say you've looked at it, then make conclusions that have absolutely nothing to do with the data.. it's just confusing and very odd.
Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
Even Elon seems to have not done the proper analysis on the "overpopulation issue" judging by some public comments he's made to that effect.
You really need only spend 30-60 minutes reading up on the empirical evidence showing the population explosion has already happened and global population will level out at 10 to max 11 billion people. Poverty is disappearing very fast (thankfully) and with it the birth rates of poverty. Families in most countries in Africa, Asia and South America have already assumed the birth rates of "the developed world".
The reason we humans are such a problem for this planet is not the number of us, but our greed as short sightedness.
You really need only spend 30-60 minutes reading up on the empirical evidence showing the population explosion has already happened and global population will level out at 10 to max 11 billion people. Poverty is disappearing very fast (thankfully) and with it the birth rates of poverty. Families in most countries in Africa, Asia and South America have already assumed the birth rates of "the developed world".
The reason we humans are such a problem for this planet is not the number of us, but our greed as short sightedness.
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Spains Abengoa Solar goes bankrupt just before Paris COP21 - YouTube
The worst is that all the new taxes introduced at the climate change won't be recycled into the economy, it won't change at all the level of CO2 in Canada.
The NDP is on track to make Alberta an not have province just like Ontario. Nice. FYI, Germany is getting away from solar panel and wind power and back to coal.. too expensive.
The worst is that all the new taxes introduced at the climate change won't be recycled into the economy, it won't change at all the level of CO2 in Canada.
The NDP is on track to make Alberta an not have province just like Ontario. Nice. FYI, Germany is getting away from solar panel and wind power and back to coal.. too expensive.
JRP3
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Abengoa is not just a solar company, and to label it as such is purposefully misleading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abengoa
http://www.wsj.com/articles/spains-abengoa-files-for-creditor-protection-1448457865
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abengoa
http://www.wsj.com/articles/spains-abengoa-files-for-creditor-protection-1448457865
Thanks - this was the point of the piece I posted. The population growth rate peaked in 1964. Hans Rosling has quite a few talks that drive this point home as well. It's easy to view the downsides of the population but with a higher populace comes more innovation, solutions, and advancement. There is certainly a trade-off with regard to environmental and societal impacts, but to just categorize our problem as a population one is a gross oversimplification.
nwdiver
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Exactly; IMO worrying about overpopulation over AGW at this point is like a doctor focusing on a lump he just found on the thyroid of a gunshot victim, you got more pressing issues doc, call the oncologist after the bleeding stops...
Although... if we don't solve the fossil fuel addiction problem... it's likely to solve the population issue for us.
nwdiver
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No one is arguing that we didn't need fossil fuels 100 years ago... that doesn't mean that they aren't causing far more harm than good today.
It seems to me that there is some value in having a stated "highest and best use" for fossil fuels in the current era. Some classifications would be straightforward, especially when there are alternatives to fossil fuels. Using fossil fuels to quicken the construction and distribution of things like PV panels, turbines, battery storage, etc., seems to be the most obvious solid case. Arguments could be made for "necessary" air travel, space transport, etc. as well.
nwdiver
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There are some areas that can't be electrified but there are other sources of liquid fuels...
Found a pretty good summary by the nytimes.
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